Q & A on the HK situation
(This is for ladies who visit from HK...if that's not you, I apologize since I'm sure you'll be totally lost!)
I'd like to begin by saying that I am grieved that I even have to do this. I had hoped that there would be some form of private reconciliation, and I attempted to encourage that. However, it's very difficult to come to the proverbial table to discuss things when the other party never shows up.
Since I have given it sufficient time, I feel that I must move forward and shed light on what all really went on, since I have received lots of questions about it. I believe there have been several misconceptions about the situation, and they need to be cleared up.
1. Were you surprised to find yourself banned from HK?
Stunned is more like it. I received no warning whatsoever that it was even a possibility. I had been involved in a "hot" thread (despite my attempts to dilute the "hotness") which was then removed from public viewing. I thought that would be the end of it. But then I received an e-mail from the admins stating that I seemed unhappy at HK and that I should probably find a message board that suits my needs better.
2. What all went on "behind the scenes" that caused you to be banned?
I have had one friend say that based on what was posted publicly at HK, she figured that I had gotten riled up behind the scenes and that was why I had been banned. When it was announced that I was banned, the other HK ladies were encouraged to extend grace and forgiveness for any inappropriate e-mails or PMs that they may have received. While this does not come right out and say that I had been e-mailing and PMing people inappropriately, it implies that, and based on what my friend told me, others "read" that same thing.
I was in contact with NO ONE. I had apologized to the original poster of the "hot thread" for it turning into something that I know she had not wanted it to, and I had thanked another sister for defending me when I felt like I was being dog piled on. But as far as any sort of behind the scenes scary stuff going on??? I honestly have no clue what that even is!
I know that many of the HK members were not aware of the situation...all they saw was what was posted publicly on the boards. So they were so glad to be protected from all the "ugliness" that was "behind the scenes." The problem with that is: THERE WAS NO UGLINESS BEHIND THE SCENES. There was NOTHING. There was the thread on the board...it got moved...about 12 hours later I was banned. That's it. What you ladies on the board saw was what I saw, minus the e-mail I received notifying me of my banning.
3. Well, you say that, but what was that you posted on your blog a while back about an apology?
There were some things that frustrated me on HK (as with any message board, especially one of that size), and yes, I shared those frustrations with a couple of friends through my PMs. I was wrong to do so.
4. Did you receive any warnings from HK administrators?
None. I don't think I've ever received a warning from them period, during the entire 4 years I was on the board. I definitely did not receive any warnings while the "hot thread" was going on.
5. Is it true you have a feminist agenda?
The idea that I'm promoting a feminist agenda makes me laugh. It makes my husband laugh even harder. So um, NO, that is not true.
6. Did you violate the posting guidelines?
I agree to keep the words and tone in my posts as befits a daughter of The King.
I will remember that my opinions and convictions should be able to be supported by the Bible.
I will keep any disagreements pleasant and will not attack another persons opinions and/or convictions.
I understand that this is an unapologetically Christian forum and will conduct myself accordingly.
I'm sure I probably flubbed up on point #1 from time to time, just as everyone has. But the other 3 points...nope. In fact, point #2 is one that I am particular passionate about. If the Bible cannot support what I believe, then I change what I believe.
7. Why aren't you letting this go?
While I have forgiven and moved on, I believe that it is important for the truth to be told, especially when people have been misled. Comments from people I've been in contact with have shown me that the truth was NOT told to the other HK members, and so I want to remedy that.
8. Didn't the admins talk with you afterward?
Only two admins joined my Yahoo group that I started in an attempt to discuss this matter, and one was no mail. After I got banned, I received one reply from the admins, and that left me scratching my head, so I replied to IT. I have heard nothing since.
9. The admins have said several times that you were banned not because of that thread but because of ongoing tensions.
That is what I have been told as well. They said that it was because I repeatedly tried to "correct" perceived "false teachings" on submission. I know that while I was still on the board I went back and searched for posts in which I did that but couldn't find any. In fact, I found the opposite. I would go back and do more searches, but I can't.
I have asked for proof of this, but I haven't been provided any.
Also, I have never once been contacted privately about these "corrections" (whatever they are).
10. But you sent around a PM a few months back saying that you expected to be banned, didn't you?
No. I sent a PM to some ladies once I realized that I would not be able to agree to the moderators being able to delete posts at will with no notification. The announcement said that it would be for all forums, so I assumed that that meant "all forums" and that since I couldn't agree to it, I would be asked to leave. As it turned out, agreeing to that thread gained members access to the controversial forum, so not having access was the only ramification to not signing. (Which turned out to be such a positive thing!!!) But at the time I was just going by what the post said: "all forums." So I wanted to give some ladies my contact info. just in case I disappeared suddenly one day, whenever the admins cleaned house (which they never did).
Apparently THIS may have been part of the "ongoing tensions"?????? I honestly have no idea, but I wanted to clear that up as well. The admins should know that it ISN'T part of the "ongoing tensions" though because I had several PMs saved in my box between other ladies and me clarifying exactly these points, and since the admins read my inbox, I know they saw them.
Feel free to ask any more questions. I will answer them to the best of my ability (since not even I know all of the answers!). I hope that the ladies who are scared to communicate with me (there are 2 in particular that I thought wanted to remain in contact with me until things started to be posted about me on the board
) won't be. My only desire is for the truth to be shared, NOT to malign a group of ladies that I was a part of for the past 4 years.
ETA: If you have a question but are afraid of the ramifications on the HK board if you do, please feel free to post anonymously here. Again, my goal is for the TRUTH to be shared.

Amanda wrote,
Very well said, Keer. As far as I can see, there is no rancour or bitterness in your post. No hidden agenda to pillory anyone or make yourself look better at someone else’s expense. You are simply trying to set the record straight. The ladies still at HK deserve nothing less.
Link | April 30th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Lawanda wrote,
I don’t mean to intrude where I’ve not been invited, but honestly it sounds like you are better off. Any board where the admins read your PRIVATE MESSAGE inbox cannot be a good one!
I am taking it these people who were reading your PRIVATE messages and have banned you without giving you a proper explanation were supposed to be Christians? Ummmmm…….
You seem to me to be trying to handle the situation with grace. And I honestly think you are better off without them if they are going to treat you like this.
Any forum admin who would read someone’s inbox is not to be trusted, imo. That is just so wrong. I am shaking my head in disbelief.
I understand you being frustrated. I have been involved in posts where the comments were closed after the originator gave his last points, some of which were personally directed toward me, and felt like I was gagged. Not a good feeling at all.
This is a position you should not be in if I understand the situation (That it was a Christian who “banned” you)…which of course I am only getting one side of the story. But then that is because the other side are too …something… to stand up and address THEIR side, apparently…
Link | April 30th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Welcome, Lawanda! I don’t know that I’ve “met” you before!
Yes, this is a Christian message board.
Link | April 30th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Dawn wrote,
This is so very similar to what happened when I was banned.
ALL my attempts at reconciliation were for naught. I felt lied to and betrayed by those I not only cared for, but whom I thought cared for me.
Lawanda, I don’t know you, but you have brilliant observation skills.
Link | April 30th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Lisa wrote,
I have no idea what HK is, but I’m sorry to hear about what you’ve gone through.
Link | April 30th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Thanks Lisa. (And hi, BTW!) Hearth Keepers is a message board for Christian ladies.
Link | May 1st, 2008 at 7:18 am
BLESS.
YOUR.
HEART.
KEER!!!!
Link | May 1st, 2008 at 8:01 am
Anonymous wrote,
What about the other gals that were ban? Why were they?
Link | May 1st, 2008 at 8:04 am
Anonymous, I can’t really answer for them. (Maybe they will comment as well?) I do know that Carla received a public apology for the manner in which she was banned. I found that ironic since Amanda and I were banned in the same way (no warning and no real contact after). I’m still scratching my head.
As to WHY though, I don’t feel it’s really my place to answer that. In talking with them, I don’t know if they truly know either. This is one of the things I tried to get an answer for from the admins.
Link | May 1st, 2008 at 8:51 am
Amanda wrote,
I was banned because the tone of my posts over time was not honouring to other people in my life who caused me regular grief, annoyance, and frustration. I freely admit that. I have a sarcastic, cynical streak that is difficult to keep under wraps under those circumstances. Sometimes I wish people who were irritated by that trait in me could see me twenty-five years ago. The Holy Spirit has done a LOT of work on me in that amount of time. But, I guess that isn’t really germane to the point at hand.
The explanation I was given later, after I sent an appropriately contrite apology, was that they decided to get rid of me at the same time they did Keer and Carla. But the method was the same. No warning, no explanation. I came home from church to find myself unable to access the board. I find it ironic that one excuse given for the admins not giving warnings about posts being deleted or things like this happening is that they are busy homeschooling women and don’t have the time. Yet it is interesting that they found the time to sit around and read the contents of Keer’s PM box in order to fuel their circular reasoning for banning her. One admin even said in a post after we left that she was sickened at what she “had” to read. Somehow I doubt that there was a gun pointed at her head the whole time she was reading Keer’s private correspondence.
Link | May 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Anonymous wrote,
I’m stunned. Absolutely stunned.
Link | May 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Gina wrote,
What yells at me while reading all of this (and I am not affiliated with the website or this blog, I am cruising blogs from princessruby.blogspot)
is that instead of taking a chance to speak the words of Christ to help other women and maybe prune so that as Christian women everyone grew.
The site just cut off those they did not agree with. I am a holy roller for Christ and I strive to follow all that the word says but I can also be sarcastic when I vent and I disagree with allot of opnions but doesn’t that make us REAL people who are only pilgrims traveling from this world to our heavenly home….
We all make mistakes and as Christian women I feel like we have to learn to pray and encourage our SIC!
Not ban, call out, offend and stir up strife……
Just my thoughts:)
Gina
Link | May 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Kimber wrote,
I was not banned, but chose to leave when I was accused of trying to breed discontent amongst the women. I think the hardest part of this, is that you give so much of yourself to a board of “friends” and then they think something so ill of you, that you wonder, “How can they think that’s the intent of my heart?” and then you’re heartsick at the amount of time invested there and your heartbroken to find out what they truly think. I was actually told that in order to not feel “invisible” (regarding my pulled post…) that I needed to post more. Um, “hello?”. I was one of the top 12 posters in post volume. I was completely honest through the years in posts asking for prayer that I felt the Lord was prompting me to spend less time online… and I was being counseled to post more?
At any rate… I realized that if they felt I had ill intentions, when there was none… and if they were telling me to post more, when I was obviously one of the top posters already, then they truly didn’t “know” me as I thought they did. I realized that I was wasting my precious time to try to help and encourage women when I could be doing more in my own community… for women who truly cared about me and my heart.
If they truly feel you have a “feminist agenda” (hahahaha… please…) and think that you’d be whatever they accused you of… then they don’t know your heart either.
Online communities can be great, but they’re not a substitute for real relationships. {Although, isn’t it neat when you do meet someone online and then are able to have that real-life relationship with them :o) } Never mind that you can learn about some really weird ministries in an online community that you’d otherwise never hear of in your own church body. There was some very legalistic and extra-biblical teachings I got caught up into that I doubt I ever would’ve come across otherwise (this, after asking various groups of women if they’d ever heard of these people/ministries)
My heart is truly grieved for you, Amanda, Carla, Dawn and however many others were banned. “Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you”. I think we’d all agree that banning is not something we’d ever want done to us :o(
Still praying for HK’ers and all those involved, past and present.
Link | May 3rd, 2008 at 9:43 am
Kimber wrote,
I should clarify my statement above about my leaving…
my husband, upon finding out about what “admin” wrote to me about breeding discontent and posting more (and the other comments she made) was upset by their responses and felt that it’d be best for me to leave that group. I believe my goodbye post made mention that my husband felt I was online too much, which was true… but the reason why it occured at that time, was due to the reasons I stated in my posts. I knew I couldn’t write the true reason for my departure (and have the post remain), so I pinned it on my husband… as I knew that’d be an acceptable reason (by those on the forum) for leaving.
Link | May 3rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
Lawanda wrote,
(I have lurked here for a while, just so you know I did not come out of nowhere!)
I still think you are better off.
And I think you should post your opinions here, and let other people discuss them with you
You can say whatever you like on your own blog, there is no one to ban you!
I like discussing biblical principles, even though most of the time I get a lot of disagreement. I am ok with that, though. I don’t want everyone to agree with me, necessarily, but I do like to think I bring things up that people don’t always think about themselves…
Link | May 5th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Dena wrote,
Thank you for that post Keer. I hope that maybe some others will find your blog and get a better understanding of what went on concerning the issue. As many ladies know, I was not banned but after being questioned about my intentions with the board, I made a decision that was a long time coming. I knew I needed to leave. After I left, I was told my personal messages had been read and the administrators felt that I was in sin. I suppose this is why they were questioning me but perhaps not. I don’t know what I did and I haven’t gotten an answer. But Lawanda, I think you hit the nail on the head. I felt so relieved once I left the board. I feel like a burden has been lifted. I didn’t even realize how much stress was surround that place but now I can see that it was just upsetting for me. I’m sorry how things ended. I’m sorry for the way Keer, Carla. Dawn and Amanda were treated. I am dissapointed that the truth is not being told to the other members and that lies have been spread. But I’m not at all dissapointed about no longer be a part of the HK community.
Link | May 14th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Lori (formerly sewing4fun on HK) wrote,
I actually was banned almost 2 years ago. The same type of deal. I was in the middle of moving and my husband had hurt his back. I did not have time to check in one Friday for a biggest looser challenge. Our leader was very ugly during that time and felt that I was purposefully letting my team down. Not true. Life happens. She sent me a horrible pm and posted it for the group to read stating that the group felt that I had let them down. I responded to her in the Tiny Tulips section of the board (where she had posted her junk) and also contacted each person to whom she said had been upset with me. Isn’t that what Matthew says to do? Anyhoo, I was terminated with no warning or discussion. A moderator finally returned my email, but was very one sided in her approach. This same group of women have gossipped about me to others and have spread untrue rumors about me and my home sewing business. Someone who was not even a part of HK at that time banned me from an online swap forum based on what she had heard through someone at HK. While I am finally over it, it still makes me mad when I think of it. And, it has taken two years for my business to finally start building back up again because of those ladies.
Link | May 21st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Thanks for sharing, Amanda, Kimber, Dena, and Lori.
I also wanted to add that ALL people are welcome to comment here. I do not moderate comments unless they are spam LOL. Folks who are commenting for the first time end up in a moderation queue just to weed out the spammers (I’m happy with my insurance, thankyouverymuch), but once I see they are real comments, I approve them.
Also, if anyone has a different take on any of the comments or on my original blog entry, feel free to share.
Link | May 21st, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Anonymous wrote,
Are all the moderators at HK in agreement? It seems everyone here who has posted seemed to make a small slip up and then they are banned. Who decides to ban? What has been said that is so bad? I know I am not always on there but I don’t see what has been so bad. Maybe because I don’t read all the threads……..
Praying for the situation, that God will open eyes that need to be opened, for hearts to be healed and for peace to be restored. This world is mean enough without Christian women being in disharmony.
Link | May 22nd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Anonymous, I have no idea if all the admins are in agreement. Anytime I’ve heard “officially” from HK, it has been from the Admin Team as a whole. I was in communication with 2 of the admins sort of on the side…one when I was trying to get the personal messages from my inbox and one had signed up for my yahoo group. But neither ever indicated that they weren’t in agreement with the decision to ban me, so I don’t really know.
What has been said that is so bad? That seems to be the million dollar question.
Link | May 22nd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Lori (formerly sewing4fun on HK) wrote,
When I was banned, only one moderator would respond to me. A very good friend of mine was a moderator at that time, and had no clue of what was going on until after the fact. She called me and tried to intervene, but even she was floored and frustrated to no ends over this situation.
Link | May 23rd, 2008 at 7:06 am
Lori (formerly sewing4fun on HK) wrote,
I want to say that I really think there are some truly good people at HK, however, the feeling I get and from what I have experienced, you almost have to be in total agreement with the mods or admin to truly feel like you belong there. Basically like always having to “suck up”for lack of better terminology. I am not a “suck up” will not “bow” to anyone just to fit in. Opinions are welcomed, as long as it is what mods and admin feel also, LOL!!!
Link | May 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 am
“I want to say that I really think there are some truly good people at HK”
That is why this whole situation makes me so sad, Lori. I’m marginally frustrated and hurt that my reputation was tarnished by the lies that the admins told about me (or at the least, implied, and when the members assumed wrongly, they weren’t corrected). But I’m fine with it.
What *really* bothers me is that ladies that I care about were lied TO.
I plan to post a final update of sorts in a few days. I have company visiting right now.
Link | May 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 am
Lori (formerly sewing4fun on HK) wrote,
I know what you mean, Keer. There are people at HK who knew the truth about me and knew that the things that were being said were simply not true. They never opened their mouths, but “chose” not to get involved. I have a girl that lives in Florida that I became good friends with that literally asked a mod a question and she was lead to believe horrible stuff about me and this friend will no longer even speak to me.
While I am sad for everyone who has endured a hardhip at HK, and I hope this comes out okay, I am glad that I haven’t been the only one that has been treated unfairly. Make sense? Not that I want anyone else to hurt or be hurt.
Link | May 24th, 2008 at 7:09 am