“Where are all the Titus Two women?”
One common question I see often on the internet (on blogs, on message boards, you name it) is:
Where are all the Titus Two women?
Younger ladies are looking for someone to teach them what Titus 2 says they should:
Tit 2:3-5
(3) Bid the older women similarly to be reverent and devout in their deportment as becomes those engaged in sacred service, not slanderers or slaves to drink. They are to give good counsel and be teachers of what is right and noble,
(4) So that they will wisely train the young women to be sane and sober of mind (temperate, disciplined) and to love their husbands and their children,
(5) To be self-controlled, chaste, homemakers, good-natured (kindhearted), adapting and subordinating themselves to their husbands, that the word of God may not be exposed to reproach (blasphemed or discredited).
They aren't seeing any in their churches or families (even Christian ones). The women that are there do not qualify.
I'm beginning to wonder if that is actually the case.
I can think of one woman in my life in the past. She is about the age of my mom, and she was one of my "moms" when we lived in Oklahoma. Her grown children serve the Lord (I believe one is a pastor???). She and her husband have been married for well over 30 years. They are both active in their church and are just LOVELY people.
However, for a long time I felt she did not "qualify" as a Titus Two woman (and I'm not talking about as a formal mentor either, just as an informal "I can learn from this woman" friendship) because:
- She worked full-time.
- Her children went to public school (when they were young enough to be in school).
- I believe her children dated.
- I can't remember specifics, but when I'd talk to her, the way she raised her children sounded very "child-centered" to my way of thinking at the time.
- They chose to only have 2 children.
And so on and so forth.
I see this ALL OVER (and have been well-entrenched in this thinking myself). Younger women bemoan the "lack of Titus Two women" based on a certain set of criteria for what that Titus Two woman should look. Nevermind the fact that as an older woman with grown children, she has, in fact, met the biblical criteria: she and her husband are still happily married, her children love the Lord, she serves the Lord, she conducts herself in a holy manner, etc. But since a woman doesn't match what WE think, we decide that she is not "Titus Two material."
Um, aren't WE supposed to be learning from THEM????
This may be a purely internet phenomenon. What I've seen is since certain local wise women are being written off, younger ladies are turning to older women they don't know on the internet. These older ladies tell them things that sound great and biblical (and I'm not saying the advice isn't), but we have no idea how the older women conduct themselves in real life. We have no idea what their grown children are like. We have no idea how happy their marriages TRULY are. What I'm afraid is happening is that we are trading what the Bible says the qualifications are of a Titus Two woman for what WE think the qualifications are. And as with any other area we think we know better than the Bible, this is dangerous ground to be walking on.
I pray that as I get to know a new group of ladies here, I will not automatically discount wise women based on what is right in my own eyes.
P.S. I'm not talking about asking a woman who never homeschooled for homeschooling advice - that wouldn't make any sense! I wouldn't ask a woman who never breastfed for latching-on advice either. LOL! I'm talking about things like marriage, child-rearing, etc. - women get discounted because the way they did it (which apparently WORKED) is different than what we think is "right."

Beverly wrote,
well said!
Link | January 2nd, 2008 at 11:02 am
Julie in Ohio wrote,
I hadn’t thought of it that way before, but it does make sense.
There we go adding to the Bible again. *sigh* Doesn’t God tell us not to do that?
Link | January 2nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
TulipGirl wrote,
Is that just like us (as people, as Christians) to do that, though? Set up extra-biblical requirements for ourselves and others? It’s so common that we do that (and I’m including myself) that it is even hard for us to realize it. . .
The older I get, the more I really understand that I should listen to my Mom more!
Link | January 2nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Exactly, TG! And really it goes back to the Fall….
Link | January 2nd, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Anonymous wrote,
I hadn’t thought of it like that either. And I USED to see my MIL as a good example because she did work full time, etc. yet as far as marraige and child raising she did. Of course now they’re divorced and I’ve learned alot of things that make me question that one unfortunately. But I do see your point.. And in our church now I have a couple that almost qualify, but in one case, I dont think either of her grown kids are in a church now despite the homeschooling, etc. that SOUND good like you said online.
Link | January 2nd, 2008 at 5:31 pm
AvocadoDiva wrote,
This comment is totally not germaine to the post, but I wanted to tell you THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! and echo what Serena, Corrie, Barbara, TulipGirl and so many others wrote on your LONG review of “Created to Be His Helper.” My Aunt (very sweet, humble, Proverbs 31 type woman) gave me the book for Christmas. I read it ALL tonight and was left confused, angry, guilty and crying at times. I was a mess….and then, I found your review about midnight and it helped me flesh out and “verbalize” all the random responses (logical and emotional) that my brain was spilling forth while reading it. I felt SO much better and SO FREED after reading all your reviews. (Yep, I read all your posts and the comments tonight, er, this morning….it’s been a long night…). My DH is over in Iraq right now and I can say without a doubt that had he been around while I was reading this book, he would have taken the book away, calmed me down and reassured me of his love….he is SO the opposite of the picture I got of Mr. Pearl in that book. (sorry if this comment is slightly incoherent…it’s 4:30am now!) Ahhh, how much we do need our men around to help us stay balanced!
So anyway, your review lives on for another generation of women (well, I’m 27, so I guess I’m old enough to be your little sister!) and thank you to all the commenters…I really feel like I’ve been spared a lot of potential trama in my marriage by just following the BIBLE and not someone else’s writings. GOD BLESS YOU!!
Link | January 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 am
good post Keer, as always
Link | January 3rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Interesting. I’ll have to take more time and re-read it.
If you’re still homeless you could come here and visit me!! LOL
Link | January 3rd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Hey, VA! LOL I just might have to take you up on that!
I KNOW you know what I’m talking about. We used to see it all the time on our old message boards. “The ladies at my church [ladies whose children were grown, serving the Lord, and just turned out GREAT] are telling me to do xyz (or NOT to do xyz). But that’s not what Joe Blow Parenting Expert says the Bible says…what do you think?” Or “They say it’s OK to rock a baby to sleep, but the Bible says we need to train them, so surely their advice isn’t sound.” Etc.
Link | January 3rd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Molly wrote,
OH MY GOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH, Keer, this post makes me want to jump up and down! YES
Link | January 5th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Molly wrote,
[resubmitting, as the first time didn’t “take”]
OH MY GOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH, Keer, this post makes me want to jump up and down! YES
Link | January 5th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Molly wrote,
[resubmitting, as the first time didn’t “take”]
[third time is the charm? Yeesh!]
OH MY GOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH, Keer, this post makes me want to jump up and down! YES YES YES!
I had Titus 2 women everywhere—–they all just didn’t qualify because I’d fallen prey to this stupid idea that a Titus 2 woman baked her own bread, homeschooled all her kids, wore long jumpers, obeyed her husband in all things, was perpetually cheerful, believed 100% conservative fundamentalist theology, was QF and had at least 8 children, never ever ever even entertained the idea of working outside the home, and the LONG LONG list of extra-Biblical garbage goes ooooooooooon…
My mother, whom I’d previously adored as an amazing blessing from God, began to be reviled in my eyes. Who cares that she loved Jesus and loved others with His love, when OBVIOUSLY she was a total failure at Biblical Womanhood (meaning, she bought her bread from the store, didn’t homeschool us, and stopped at 4 kids and never felt guilty about it, either, and once we were in school, got her Masters and started working in the health field [and she is much revered there to this day, btw]).
What a lot of wisdom I missed out on. And how ashamed I am for my attitude towards her. Most of all, HOW GLAD I AM to be FREE of that closed tight oppressive little world. Jesus busted out the doors of the dingy box I tried to put Him in. What a big beautiful world it is.
Link | January 5th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
blessedmama wrote,
wow keer that is so great! thanks for your post. *hugs*
Link | January 7th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Kathy wrote,
Amen, Kirstin!
Link | January 7th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
~*~ Jennifer ~*~ wrote,
Great post! I came over here after Lisa commented about it on her blog.
I may just do the same.
Link | January 8th, 2008 at 6:03 am
Dollymama wrote,
What a great post! I know that in my younger days I have been guilty of pre-judging some women as unworthy of me listening to because their lifestyles did not coordinate with mine. Later on, I have found myself on the other side, where younger gals came to me asking for guidance or advice, but then as soon as I said something they didn’t like, the never came back around again. Frankly, that left me feeling rather afraid of younger women. They didn’t seem to want guidance so much as confirmation that they were as smart as they thought they were.
Seems to me that there is fault on both sides of this issue, though–younger women who think they already know everything, and older women who aren’t interested in tossing pearls before swine.
Link | January 10th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Yes, DM, that is a great point! I was speaking purely from experience, both in what I’ve heard others say and what I’ve said myself. *blush* For example, I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen advice given to a younger woman online to go to a lady in her church for xyz. And the younger lady replies that all of the older women in her church work (or some other “no no” in conservative Christian circles), therefore she has “no Titus 2 woman to go to in real life.”
Link | January 10th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Dollymama wrote,
To add to this thread, I have also noticed this weird desire that people have to turn to “experts” that are unknown strangers, and who may not even have the life experience to back up this expert status. I’ve been amazed to see parenting books written by non-parents, or parenting books written by people with 1 or 2 children. I thought I knew a lot when I had just a couple kids. What having six kids has taught me is that if you think you’ve got it all figured out, you simply haven’t had enough children!! Have enough and you’ll realize how little is cut-and-dried.
I have met people in real life that I first met on the internet. It’s always kind of amazing to see how the real life version of the person is so much less….perfect!…than what gets portrayed through egroups or whatever. It gives a whole new perspective to reasons why these people may be suffering criticism for their life choices, have troubles marriages, or whatever.
I think it is so tempting for us to take the little bits of information we get about people through email and make up this fairy tale idea of that the person is like. In reality we’ve all got spit-up on our shoulders, saggy skin on our bellies, and we yell at our kids at least some of the time. LOL When we see people in real life we know these things, and that just isn’t as thrilling as our imaginative fairy tale ideas, is it?
Link | January 11th, 2008 at 6:23 am
some things you might not want to miss « thatmom wrote,
[…] Homeschooling mom Keer has an excellent article this week on looking for the Titus 2 woman in your life and I cannot tell you what a blessing it was to read. I would love to be able to flesh this out more down the road by sharing more stories from my own Hall of Shame regarding the hunt for the real Titus 2 women! […]
Link | February 6th, 2008 at 8:20 am
thatmom wrote,
Keer, that you so much for these wise words. I have many stories in my Hall of Shame regarding older women I have blown off because they didn’t fit into my pet paradigm.
Here is something else that the Lord has impressed on me of late:
The Bible is full of the one anothers and at the core of genuine Biblical counseling is the truth that we are to be there for each other….admonishing, encouraging, loving, forgiving, submitting to, etc. etc. etc. Today I may be the one with the need. Tomorrow it may be you. So we work together to build relationships with one another to do just that. As soon as someone sets themselves up as the one with the corner on all Biblical truth, they are headed for trouble. The older I get, the more I realize how much I need and depend on the wisdom of both the Word of God and of those who have walked with the Lord along the same path I travel.
Link | February 6th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Marcia wrote,
Hey, why did I think you weren’t blogging anymore?
Link | February 7th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Marcia wrote,
Don’t be lonely, Molly; my comment didn’t work either.
Link | February 7th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Marcia, not sure LOL!!!
Your comment worked…it was just put in the moderation queue for whatever reason. It can be finicky.
Link | February 7th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Marcia wrote,
Cool. And great post, by the way.
I don’t fit the role at all, but then, I try not to offer much parenting advice, either. I’m not all that pleased with my results at the moment.
Link | February 7th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Claire wrote,
I’m new here - just discovered this site today, and I love it!
I just wanted to say, the main Titus 2 woman in my life has been a woman I’ve never even met - Elisabeth Elliott. She did not homeschool her daughter, Valerie, but Valerie is now a homeschooling mother, and EE fully supports her in it. Jim Elliott was their husband and dad.
So - how did EE mentor me? Through her books. All of them, especially _Keep a Quiet Heart_. And also through her radio programs when they were on the air.
Two other women whom I never had the pleasure to meet also ‘mentored’ me through their books: Catherine Marshall and Corrie ten Boom. The latter never even married, yet her writings have challenged me to be totally transparent before the Lord. Catherine Marshall did not officially teach her son at home, but she definitely “after-schooled” him - and today he has written historical books which are used by homeschoolers!
BTW - when I began reading their books, I wasn’t even homeschooling yet, was just a baby Christian needing to grow. For a long time, I grieved over the fact that my ‘Christian’ mother wasn’t interested in mentoring me as a Titus 2 woman. But then one day the Lord showed me that He had given me these 3 women to mentor me through their books! I was astounded and very appreciative when He helped me to see that.
Link | February 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Kathy wrote,
Well said, Keer. I really and truly regret how I dismissed the wisdom, witness, love, and Christian maturity of the older women I knew in the Presbyterian church we attended when we first became Christians back when I was 30. I should have paid more attention to them.
The conservative homeschooling movement had captured my imagination and I had entered a heady and arrogant world of being a better, more Bible-following Christian than those people in my church, and through my newly gained insights from that movement I was going to raise perfect children. The older women in the church were so focused on love, on missions, on being the hands of Christ in that community–where was their concern that the junior high aged kids were sitting in a group together on the front row in church instead of with their parents? Where was their concern that the high school aged girls ought to know better than to wear shirts that revealed their shape? If they were such good Christians, why was I the only one thinking about going “dresses only” and entertaining the idea of wearing a head-covering?
Yes, it just seemed like a shame there weren’t any Titus 2 women in the church. Just a bunch of older women in long marriages, with grown kids, serving their hearts out. You can see why I avoided taking their advice to be wary of the legalism they saw me headed towards.
*Shakes head and sighs*
It is at least encouraging to read your words and this comment thread and to realize that many of us have had a similar journey and start to come to our senses sooner or later!
Link | February 10th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Great-granddaughter wrote,
Yes, I know just what you mean. It’s the same in all internet communities– when my first child was a new baby, I was really into “natural parenting–” attachment parenting, hard-core lactivism, etc, permissive discipline, etc.
Young moms were forever complaining that there were no “suitable” older role models. Some of ‘em wouldn’t even leave their kids with Grandma for fear that Grandma might spank them or give them Cheetos or make them sleep in a crib or commit some other offense against “instinctive” womanhood.
This is just another manifestation of people’s tendency to live in fantasy-land.
But hey, I’ve got three generations of honest-to-God Titus 2 women ahead of me… even if they all used birth control and sent their kids to public school and had jobs sometimes… better to take advice from them than another youngster still in the trenches of motherhood with me!
Link | June 12th, 2008 at 11:20 pm