Created To Be His Help Meet - Chapter 18
I apologize for the delay of Chapter 18's review. Hurricane Katrina sidetracked things somewhat.
Chapter 18 is about being discreet:
Titus 2:4-5: "That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet...."
On page 188 Mrs. Pearl explains the background for this chapter:
One usually thinks of discretion as the ability to avoid saying or doing that which is inapropriate - to know when and how to conduct oneself so as to not offend. If this is all that is intended by the text, then a person intending to commit fraud would always attempt to do so discreetly, but much more is obviously contained in this word. The Greek word that is tranlated discreet is also translated, in the Authorized Version, "taste" several times. In other instances, it is translated "behavior" and "judgment." Discretion, therefore is, [oops punctuation error here ROFLOL] having good tastes...good judgment...useful...to be of good understanding.
So I looked up the Greek word that is used in this passage. It is Sophron and means "of a sound mind, sane, in one's senses; curbing one's desires and impulses, self-controlled, temperate." It is only used in the New Testament 4 times. Twice it is translated "sober," once "temperate," and once (in this verse) "discreet." I have absolutely no idea where Mrs. Pearl got the information she did about the translation of this word. If anyone knows, would you kindly let me know so that I can correct this?
Mrs. Pearl shares several different aspects of discretion throughout the chapter, and all of these traits are definitely good ones to have. But I simply could not overlook her poor exegesis of this word, and unfortunately this is just one of many instances in this book that she does this. She could have left out that entire explanation and I wouldn't have had any sort of problem with it. Not that my opinion is what matters, but she is saying that the Word of God says things that it DOESN'T, and that is troubling.
ANYWAY!
On page 189 she says we must seek to be courteous - we must have consideration of others.
Consideration is just another way of saying, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."
She also shares that
A discreet person is one who handles another person's resources with grave carefulness and honesty.
Page 190 says we must seek to be honest.
If a woman uses her friends by asking unnecessary favors or by borrowing and not returning, she is showing a lack of basic courtesy, which is an important element of discretion. When a woman manipulates people or situations, leaving others feelings used, all the while smiling in triumph at getting her way, she is the one actually losing.
Page 192 says that we must be gracious, which is very true. Mrs. Pearl begins this section with a letter from Ruth. She writes:
Should one be quiet when you know your husband is making a poor decision? Doesn't being a helper mean that I need to help him make better decisions?Last week my husband went to buy a new stove that we badly needed. He picked out a top-of-the-line stove and was willing to spend too much money in order to have the best. He called and asked me to go look at it and let him know what I thought. I shared my deep concern that it was simply too expensive. We do have the money, but I saw no need to buy the best, when the next scale down would do just as well. He called and told me he had canceled the order and bought the one I recommended. We both felt better with what I picked out. Should I have kept my mouth shut? I didn't tell him NOT to get it. I just thought it unwise to spend money unnecessarily. Do wives have to submit in everything? For example, what color to pain the walls or what kind of furniture to have? Are we to be just mindless robots?
He sent my two oldest children to public school against my better judgment, and I can now see some negative effects. I guess I have to live with that. I think I save him, myself, and my careless youngest daughter from many skirmishes. I really want to do the right thing. I battle this all the time.
I want genuine joy, but it is just not there.
A couple of things stand out to me in this letter: they COULD afford the stove the husband had picked out, and they both "felt better" with what she had picked out.
So I pretty much agree with what Mrs. Pearl says on page 193:
Your husband's choice of stoves is a statement that he is trying to express his great appreciation of you and to please and delight you.*snip*
If you had been wise, gracious, and loving when your husband called to inform you of the stove he had in mind to buy, you would have laughed and been delighted with your husband's choice of stove. If you had viewed the extra expense as one would a gift of flowers - a wonderfully beautiful waste of money, and an extravagant gesture of devoted husbandly love - yours especially, but his life also, would have been richer and fuller for it.
I would probably struggle with this as well since I'm so thrifty and practical when it comes to money. (But dh is equally as thrifty, so this situation probably would never happen around here LOL!)
But I wonder...what if they had NOT been able to afford it? After all, the husband had called and asked her to go look at it and let him know what she thought. He was asking for her opinion. Wouldn't it be all right for her to give him her opinion? We'll never know since Mrs. Pearl doesn't say....
Also, the wife says that both she and her husband felt better with what I had picked out. Why in the world is it even an issue then???
Mrs. Pearl also says on page 193:
Your history of "cautious leading" says to me that you see yourself as a wise woman, but you view him and your "careless" daughter as lacking good common sense.*snip*
...you view your husband as inept. He knows this is how you feel. This is why life is a constant struggle, why you are unhappy, why your daughter is "careless," and why (just a guess) you do not have a good s*x life.
Wow, she got all that from this letter????
True help meets do walk a fine line between potentially treating their husbands as inept and truly HELPING their husbands. But Mrs. Pearl is making several assumptions about their relationship from this one letter, and that can be dangerous.
Mrs. Pearl recommends that Ruth go back and read the story about Sunny so that she can learn how to reverence her husband properly. She recommends re-reading the story of Jezebel and making a list of responses in her life that she is going to change. She encourages her to learn how to pratice joy and thanksgiving. She tells her to read the s*x chapter so that
perhaps you both can cook up something really nice, without a stove of any kind.
(UGH all the references to s*x bother me! I'm sure they don't some, but they do me. It's just inappropriate.)
Beginning on page 194, Mrs. Pearl describes a lack of judgment:
"A wise woman doesn't attempt to instruct her husband through feigned questions. Her questions will be sincere inquiries concerning his will."
and then she lists Twelve Questions a Wife Can Ask That Will Tear Down Her House:
1. Do you feel comfortable spending that much money buying that ________________?
2. Are you sure God wants you to work at that job and be away from us all the time?
3. Honey, I need to ask you something very important that really tears me up inside. Doesn't this activity you are engaging in grieve your spirit?
4. Why don't you ever want to go with me to _____________?
5. Before we were married, you read your Bible or at least you said you did. Why don't you ever read and teach me and the children?
6. Why don't you spend more time with our sons?
7. Do you ever think of just loving me in the spiritual way instead of always the carnal? I am so hungry for some deep spriritual understanding and communication.
8. Sweetheart, why won't you have devotions with me? We want you to lead us in prayer and help us grow spiritually. The Bible says you are our spiritual leader; why, why will you not lead?
9. Why do you think the pastor said that about Charles? Don't you think it was cruel? Sometimes I wonder if we should go to church somewhere else.
10. Poor Charles, it is so sad to see what the preacher's mean words have done to that family. Don't you think we should do something about it, like call and let them know we love them and don't agree with the pastor? Besides, I am so hurt at the pastor myself.
11. Honey, it's church time. You need to get dressed. What! You're not going? But you always go to church. Do you think you should let a silly thing like that business with Charles keep you from worship? Besides, you know, the pastor was right, that Charles was up to no good all along! You have to go to church. What about the boys? You'll be a bad influence on them. Don't you care?
12. Jane, I want you to know that without your close, loving friendship, which I turn to every day, I would never be able to get through this loveless marriage. He is so cold and distant. He doesn't care about the children. I don't know how I could have been so deceived into thinking he was a fine, Christian man when I married him. Will you ask the girls to pray for him this week at our women's meeting?
It's apparent that the lady who inspired that list of questions had some issues. But questions like #1 and 4 CAN be OK to ask, provided the wife doesn't have some sort of ulterior motive. I'm concerned that women will come away from this book thinking that it's never OK to ask questions like those. Sometimes questions like those are necessary for healthy communication in a marriage relationship.
Mrs. Pearl sums up the chapter listing the traits of a good help meet (when we reflect on discreetness):
1. A good help meet grows in grace and knowledge.
2. She is gracious and honest.
3. She is without guile toward her husband.
From a "common sense advice" perspective, not a bad chapter. Some of her practical application left me wondering, however. Her exegesis of the word translated "discreet" in Titus 2:5 was poorly done, especially since the word means "self-controlled," but fortunately it didn't alter the substance of this chapter much.

DollyMama wrote,
The need for us to be self-controlled is a good reminder for me. I tend to go on big kicks, and not be as balanced as I should be. I’m often kicking myself for letting some ball drop.
(sigh) It’s a good thing that my husband is crazy about me even though I make so many mistakes!
Link | September 3rd, 2005 at 2:13 pm
TulipGirl wrote,
*arrrrrgh*
That list of questions not to ask. . . Doesn’t it seem to you that Mrs. Pearl likes to use extreme examples to prove her point? It’s the same with the letters in general. . .
Link | September 3rd, 2005 at 8:46 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Extreme examples - YES. In talking with other women who love this book, they love the extreme examples. I can’t figure out why since they are so over-the-top that it’s hard to relate to them. It’s hard to figure out how to (supposedly) apply what Mrs. Pearl is teaching to my life when the examples she uses are so extreme.
She could have said that we need to not question our husbands with the intent to manipulate or demean them, without listing all those weird questions.
Link | September 3rd, 2005 at 8:51 pm
Barbara wrote,
ROFL!!!!
because they decided, seemingly by a mutual choice, to get a less expensive stve, they have a bad s*x life????? can you show me HOW to connect the dots on that one????
ROFLagain!!!
Link | September 4th, 2005 at 4:45 pm
Dawn wrote,
I marvel at how you can keep reading this book.
Link | September 4th, 2005 at 5:41 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Well, I finished it a while back, and lemme tell ya, after chapter 23, it is only because I’ve committed to reviewing it that I continue to do so. UGH UGH UGH.
Link | September 4th, 2005 at 6:02 pm
Dawn wrote,
Your name came up on an email loop I’m on for where to go to read reviews of the book that aren’t from a “this is a great book” perspective, lol. You’re becoming famous.
Link | September 4th, 2005 at 8:51 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Is it the ex-Gothard group or the ex-Ezzo group? I’ve been getting hits from both lately LOL!
Link | September 4th, 2005 at 9:02 pm
Dawn wrote,
ex Ezzo!
And how do you know WHO hits your site? I have the counter from bravenet but it doesn’t say WHO specifically!
Link | September 5th, 2005 at 7:41 am
razorbackmama wrote,
Ancient Chinese secret!!!!!
On Bravenet, in the statistics section, if you look on the left side, there is a link called referrals (or something like that). If you click on it, it will tell you the last 10 referrals to your site. I have a sitemeter counter too, and it will tell you the last 100 hits.
If it’s someone who just goes to your site (for example, if they have it bookmarked), it will show as a “direct hit.” But say someone comes to your site by clicking on a link that I have on my site - it will show my URL as the referring site.
For people that come to your site by a google search or something like that, when you click on the referring link, it will show you the search terms that people used.
Link | September 5th, 2005 at 1:57 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
I’ve e-mailed No Greater Joy to try to find out where Mrs. Pearl got her information translating the word sophron. I’ll let ya’ll know what (if anything) I hear from them.
Link | September 5th, 2005 at 1:58 pm
Corrie wrote,
I find it ironic that in just a few chapters before this one, Mrs. Pearl was instructing her readers TO manipulate their husbands. She tells women how easy it is to manipulate men (basically) by applying her advice on how to use our feminine wiles. On her website, she has a letter from a wife that told Mrs. Pearl that her husband loves the advice she received from Mrs. Pearl about acting like a spoiled 2 year old when she doesn’t get her way (ie., she puts out her bottom lip, pouts, shakes her curls and stomps her feet).
Then, in this chapter she tells us that we are NOT to manipulate our husbands or anyone else. Maybe it is her caveat that we can manipulate others as long as they don’t feel used that I am missing in all this irony?
Keer, great catch on her explanation of the word “discreet”. It means to have good taste? Really? What exactly is THAT?
I also find the whole stove thing absurd to the Nth degree. The husband asked, the wife told him that she doesn’t need the more expensive model. After all, I assume she is the one going to be using it most of the time. She should know.
It would be opposite in my house. I feel that if we are going to make a purchase we should get the best we can get and not skimp because it costs a LOT more to upgrade once we find out we really could have benefited from a couple more bells and whistles. I usually have to moderate my ideas and come down a few notches and my husband moderates his ideas and comes up a few notches. He knows that my input on household appliances is very necessary since I am the one who uses them 99.9% of the time and I am the one doing the research on them.
Does that mean I have a bad s*x life, too, since I answer my husband’s questions honestly?
How she got all that from this silly letter on a stove is beyond me. I agree that it seemed as if the decision for the lesser stove was mutually agreed upon by both husband and wife.
What is the problem? After all, they could send the extra money to people in crisis. The wife seems she was doing what was wise and only getting what she truly needed. Maybe she was thinking of others. Maybe the Lord had led her to that decision because it was the best one?
I like practical gifts. I like fresh flowers but I do not like paying 4 times the price for them when I know where I can get 2 dozen roses for $10.00. To each his/her own, right?
What is wrong with being frugal and practical? I thought that this was a GOOD trait?!
I think if spouses are doing things to please their mate or buying gifts to please their mate it should be the things that TRULY please their mate and not the things that they want to do and they know it doesn’t please their mate. Each couple is different.
That is why Debi Pearl’s book just won’t work for most people. There are so few people who can identify with her writings and examples and solutions.
In real life, most couples can talk about a stove, arrive on a mutually agreed solution and have great s*x to boot.
I also wonder why everything seems to boil down to s*x on so many levels in this book?
Has anyone read their book called “Holy S*x”? That should be the next book reviewed! Keer? You up for that project? LOL
Link | September 6th, 2005 at 5:11 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
“Maybe it is her caveat that we can manipulate others as long as they don’t feel used that I am missing in all this irony?”
I wondered the same thing…so it’s OK for me to manipulate my husband as long as he doesn’t feel used? :-/
I KWYM about the practical gifts. I think a lot of that boils down to how well we know our spouse. A husband of 50 years will probably know better what his wife would like than a newlywed husband. And honestly a lot depends on the love language of each person.
That said, I do think that sometimes a husband would like to give an “extravagant” gift to his wife without getting grief about how extravagant it is. Holly mentioned that type of thing either here or on her blog once. Holly????? So I do have to be careful with that.
But in the stove situation, the husband asked her opinion, and she gave it! Different scenario IMO.
“I also wonder why everything seems to boil down to s*x on so many levels in this book?”
I don’t know, but I’m tired of all the s*x talk. LOL!
“Has anyone read their book called “Holy S*x”? That should be the next book reviewed! Keer? You up for that project? LOL”
HA!!!!! I ain’t touchin’ that one with a 10-foot pole.
Link | September 7th, 2005 at 11:25 pm
Serena wrote,
If someone sent that one to me so I didn’t have to buy it, I’d probably review it, but not chapter by chapter. With all the stuff that is off in her book, I have my doubts about her husband’s book. Since there are some really good books written already for wives and also some good ones for couples regarding their love-lives, I think they are just making money off of their style of writing and the huge base they have built up that get their newsletter, etc. Personally, I’m glad I was given her CTBHH book and I don’t have money to buy his, but would be glad to read it and review it.
Love and shalom,
Serena
Link | September 10th, 2005 at 12:59 pm