Created To Be His Help Meet - Chapter 15
(Sorry it has taken me a while to get to this chapter's review. I'm still recuperating from our company's visit LOL!)
Chapter 15 begins Part 2 of the book. Part 1 described what a help meet should be like (supposedly, and we've established that Mrs. Pearl's definition of a help meet is sorely lacking). Part 2 offers practical advice on the responsibilities of a wife, as outlined in Titus 2:
Bid the older women similarly to be reverent and devout in their deportment as becomes those engaged in sacred service, not slanderers or slaves to drink. They are to give good counsel and be teachers of what is right and noble,
So that they will wisely train the young women to be sane and sober of mind (temperate, disciplined) and to love their husbands and their children,
To be self-controlled, chaste, homemakers, good-natured (kindhearted), adapting and subordinating themselves to their husbands, that the word of God may not be exposed to reproach (blasphemed or discredited).
In the KJV, the last part of verse 5 says, "that the word of God be not blasphemed," and that is Mrs. Pearl's focus in the opening section of Part 2:
Over the last several years I have asked hundreds of women, "Can you tell me the eight things God requires of a woman, which if she does not obey she will be quilty of blaspheming God's Word?"
To be honest, I haven't done a WHOLE lot of study on whether this verse is a complete picture of a wife's duties, or if Paul was telling Titus these things because they touched on problems that were going on in that culture and time. These characteristics are DEFINITELY ones that a wife should possess, yet we must always remember that the whole of Scripture reveals a much more expanded image of a godly wife.
The next several chapters discuss the different areas in which a wife "must obey", lest she expose the Word of God to reproach. Mrs. Pearl uses the order that is in Titus 2, so the first characteristic of a godly wife she discusses is soberness.
Page 147:
To be sober:To do one's duty, be moderate, self-controlled, thoughtful, and to learn to make wise decisions and judgments.*snip*
A sober wife is one who faces the fact that she is no longer a freewheeling individual, with time to do as she pleases. She knows that marriage is a joyous, but also a grave, responsibility. She cannot be flighty and frivolous. She makes a commitment to be the best wife, mother, and manager of her home that anyone could be. She becomes the acting CEO of a great enterprise of which her husband is the owner.
Oh this is so true. I can't say it any better than that.
Mrs. Pearl discusses the importance of a smoothly-run home.
When a woman soberly considers the needs, time schedule, and resources of her home, then she will be a more efficient help meet.
She stresses that the home should be a place of refuge and peace. So so true. (And I have such a long way to go - UGH!!!!!)
With as good as this chapter began, I hate that Mrs. Pearl had to move into bad examples, but since that has been the trend with the rest of the book, I guess I'm not too surprised.
She shares this letter:
Dear Debi,I was totally exhausted yesterday when my husband came home from work. The children were sick. I have a new baby, and she was coming down with a fever. He came in and never inquired how I felt or how my day was. He started off by asking why the place was such a wreck and "when will dinner be ready," because it was the night for choir practice, and he wanted to get there early. He was rude, insensitive, and indifferent to my exhaustion, the kids' sickness, and everything else. He was so selfish, and it hurt so badly. What was I supposed to do? Reward this selfish jerk with loving service?
Jill
Dear Jill, It is your duty, your job, and in your best interest to reward your husband.
Debi
I'm sorry, but both are wrong.
When Jill's husband asked why the place was such a wreck, she could have simply said, "The children are sick, and I've been tending to their needs all day. I've done what I can, but their physical needs took top priority." When he asked when dinner will be ready, she could have said, "How about if we order a pizza?" with a smile on her face. She doesn't have to be rude BACK to him, and she should still serve him, but neither should she feel guilty that she cared for her sick children rather than keeping the house spotless, just so that her husband would be "rewarded."
And guilt is exactly where Mrs. Pearl goes with this, because she blames Jill for the situation.
No one would dispute that Jill's husband is insensitive, but two wrongs do not make a good marriage. One "right" can make a BIG difference in a marriage and change that selfish old guy.
The advice that Mrs. Pearl gives in this situation would simply encourage more of the selfish behavior in most men. And nothing Jill does can change her man, only the Holy Spirit can.
Always keep in mind that your job is to do a good job serving him, so planning ahead is a must. If Jill had done better at her job, her husband would not have been such a jerk.
So Jill is to blame for her husband's sinful behavior???
Your husband expects you to plan ahead. He plans ahead at his place of work, otheriwse he would lose his job. If you plan ahead, conflicts like this can be avoided,
I'm sorry, but we can't plan for everything.
Proverbs 19:21 - Many plans are in a man's mind, but it is the Lord's purpose for him that will stand.
The bulk of the chapter discusses practical tips on how to plan ahead with meals, how to simplify with meals, how to cook the meals your husband wants, etc. (LOL, notice the common thread?) Mrs. Pearl sings the praises of the crock pot, advises women to have meals on the table on time, recommends serving the same breakfast/lunch meals everyday, etc. I'd love to hear her advice for women whose husbands hate crock pot meals, do not come home at regular times for supper (as is the case with me), and who want a variety of foods. I see what Mrs. Pearl tried to do with these few pages, but it was somewhat of a waste of space since men vary SO WIDELY with their tastes, what they want in meals, etc.
Mrs. Pearl then quotes from a 1950s home ec textbook, "How to Be a Good Wife Today": Have dinner ready, prepare yourself, clear away the clutter, prepare the children, minimize all noise, don't greet him with problems or complaints, don't complain if he is late, listen to him, make the evening his.
"The goal: try to make your home a place of peace and order, where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit."
I like this, and I think my husband would too. If only I knew when he was going to be home LOL! (When he actually leaves the house for work, that is; many days he works out of a home office.)
The next part of the chapter...I'm not sure why it's even there. It's a letter from a woman who was a very anxious woman until she started following the Pearls' advice. The only thing that ties it in with the rest of the chapter is that
This letter shows how not getting our way often causes us to have a nervous, troubled spirit instead of the quiet (sober) spirit God expects us to have.
It just totally doesn't fit with the subject matter of the rest of the chapter, so it left me scratching my head.
At the end of the chapter, Mrs. Pearl lists traits of a good help meet:
A good help meet establishes a haven of rest.
She will adjust to her husband's time schedule and eating habits.
She will relax and enjoy her family, instead of worrying and fretting.
Oh, maybe the worrying and fretting part was where the nervous breakdown letter tied in???
(I had to chuckle at adjusting to my husband's time schedule...WHAT TIME SCHEDULE???? LOLOL!!!!!)
Finally, Mrs. Pearl has an assignment for us.
Think of an occasion in the recent past when you became angry or were hurt because your husband responded in a way that you felt was wrong. Keep in mind that the other side of the coin of being angry is being hurt. It is one and the same coin, and it buys the same results: a bad marriage and a strained relationship. How different do you think the end of the struggle might have been if you had kept in your mind that your job was to please that man?*snip*
Remember, he doesn't have to be right or kind for you to react in a godly way.
There are many false assumptions here. First, that the wife only felt that the husband's response was wrong. What if it really WAS wrong, per the Bible? I agree, sometimes women just perceive things wrongly, but sometimes men just do the wrong thing. It's not just that the wife FELT he was wrong...he was WRONG, plain and simple.
Second, hurt and anger can be related, but not always.
Third, the implication is there that if we choose to not be hurt/angry, we'll have a good marriage and NOT a strained relationship. That is simply untrue. The only way to have a good marriage is when both parties are serving each other and obeying the Lord.
Fourth, our job ISN'T necessarily to "please that man." Our job is to be a HELP MEET, and sometimes that means helping them do the right thing (with a loving and submissive spirit), even if it's unpleasant for them.
Finally, "pleasing that man" isn't the only godly response. She is correct that his response doesn't excuse ungodly behavior on our part. But there are other godly responses that Mrs. Pearl doesn't even touch on (and insinuates that they are NOT godly responses).
Once again, the basis of the chapter was great. We DO need to be sober - temperate, disciplined, etc. I desperately need to be more "with it." (I do wish my dh had some semblance of a regular schedule so that the rest of the family could though LOL!) However, the potential is great for even very "sober" women to feel they are not doing well in this area, especially if "life happens" or if their husbands are jerks.

Kimberly wrote,
mmm.. foder for thought. I guess I better go do some laundry. Thanks Kirsten for working so hard to find the good in it!
Link | August 6th, 2005 at 7:04 am
Kelli wrote,
OH PULEEEZEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! If my dh came home and I had been taking care of sick children all day, he would have offered to make something or order a pizza. Debi is just WAY OFF on this one. Men that are that selfish need a wake up call. Geeze.
Link | August 6th, 2005 at 7:33 am
TulipGirl wrote,
“What was I supposed to do? Reward this selfish jerk with loving service?”
Just a side note. . . I’m beginning to wonder how many of these letters from desperate housewives were really written to Debi Pearl. Honestly–none of the Christian women I know would have written a letter like this one or some of the others you’ve quoted. (Well, none in real life–perhaps one or two I’ve met online.) Especially the Christian women I’ve known who have been into the Pearls. That sort of sarcasm and name calling?
It’s beginning to look like straw man letters to me. Fabricated letters that look like they are written from stupid and rude women, rather than letters from sincere and struggling Christian wives.
Link | August 6th, 2005 at 12:08 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
TG, I sort of had the same thought when I read that letter. If this woman knew she could write to Mrs. Pearl, then SURELY she knew what advice Mrs. Pearl would give her, and that there was no way she’d tolerate the woman calling her husband names like that???????
Although for all I know, maybe the letter is real and the lady is just clueless…I have no idea.
Link | August 6th, 2005 at 12:32 pm
Dawn wrote,
I appreciate your thoughts on this Kirstin!! Thank you!
Link | August 6th, 2005 at 5:47 pm
Anonymous wrote,
Argghhhh! I had this long, long, great reply written, and my 1 year old just pushed a button and killed the whole comment! I do not have time right now…just suffice it to say that I agree with you on this…I had forgotten this section and how frustrated it made me. A decent man is going to expect his wife to care for their newborn and sick children…and will help make supper to boot. He might not even go to choir practice!!!!! My husband has said so many times, “No, honey, I’ll do that. You have the kids to take care of. I’m a big boy. I can do it.” Now, that is a man with a servant’s heart, and a man with a good marriage.
Holly
Link | August 6th, 2005 at 6:22 pm
Barbara wrote,
i think that we have established that this is silly nonsense!
herein lies the problem…Ms Debi lays ALL the responsability for a good marriage on the WRONG spouse!
Scripture is clear that the husband is the head and he is responsable! (sorry, don’t have chapter and verse at the moment!) that does not lift any personal sin OFF of me (or any wife) but she is clearly backwards in this
ugh!!!! so glad i don’t have this book! i have even tried,, with an open mind, to read the excerpts in Old Schoolhouse magazine, and it’s just….well…..UGH!
i’ll stick with Nancy Leigh Demoss’ advise on being a Christian WOMAN…then i have to end up becominga better wife
Link | August 6th, 2005 at 11:31 pm
Serena wrote,
Kirstin,
I understand about the schedule and I think you are learning to “roll with the punches.” As Father to help you with routines that keep your home in order and they are more flexible than schedules. Another idea for meals is the once a month cooking idea where you make a whole bunch of meals and put them in the freezer, though it would be a bit of a challenge with your young children. I’ve done it before and had young children, too, and it did save a lot of time, but I also had some that were old enough to be a real help.
I think you did a great job reviewing the chapter. She keeps making it the wife’s responsibility and also that the husband can be sinning and the wife is supposed to accept it. I do not agree with that. I know that it takes prayer and direction from Father to deal with sin issues in our husbands, but we do need to deal with them. We cannot just stuff everything like she teaches. She must have quite a lot swept under her carpet!
Love and shalom,
Serena
Link | August 7th, 2005 at 9:40 am
Corrie wrote,
TulipGirl,
“It’s beginning to look like straw man letters to me. Fabricated letters that look like they are written from stupid and rude women, rather than letters from sincere and struggling Christian wives.”
I agree with you. That is what it looks like to me. Wait until the “Bad Bob” chapter gets written. Another HUGE strawman!
I asked my husband if this was even physically possible and he wanted to know what I was smoking. 
I would LOVE to find out where Sunny is today and here a report on how her marriage is doing. I guess I am a little concerned that she is even still alive after her husband tried to murder her with a butcher knife. After all, his behavior towards her depends on Sunny being perfect and even that is subjective depending on Ahmed’s moods, I suppose.
It shouldn’t be that hard to find Sunny since Mrs. Pearl says she went to church with her.
Link | August 8th, 2005 at 9:11 am
razorbackmama wrote,
Serena,
LOL yes, my life is one big “roll with the punches!” Unfortunately we don’t even have a routine going (and haven’t for years), and I’m bound and determined that that is going to change. Chaos has reigned for 4 years now (coincides with my dh’s job change), and it simply cannot anymore!!!
I did the OAMC a few years back. LOL it actually worked BETTER when my children were younger (as did our schedule). But I’m not sure if it had more to do with the dc as it did (again) my dh’s job. Now his schedule is so screwy that I can’t even do OAMC really (though I’d love to).
I never even know if he is going to be present for a meal until we are sitting down to eat. And we’re at the point in our family size where his presence is sometimes the deciding factor in making one batch or two when I cook. :-S I may end up having to just make double-batches of stuff, and if he is there great, but if not, we’ll just have lots of leftovers LOL!
Oh how I long for military life some days LOL! (And here I thought we’d get to see him more when he got out!
)
Link | August 8th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Serena wrote,
Well, freeze those leftovers for another meal. You will accomplish what you are desiring and Father will help you. You will just have a really unique routine, kind of like those people who work swing shift. I cannot understand how someone can do that. It would mess me up too much to work a different shift every two weeks. (And I’m glad my husband doesn’t!)
Love and shalom,
Serena
Link | August 8th, 2005 at 9:11 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Ugh we’ve done that too! Well, sort of. When dh first started in this line of work, he worked in a relief position and filled in for people who were on vacation, long-term medical leave, vacant positions, etc. He filled in for any shift. So one week he’d be on days, the next nights, the next 2 days again, etc. Except there was zero pattern to it - he just worked whatever needed to be worked. Some weeks he’d be home, but 60% of the time (not that I kept track or anything
) he’d be away for the week. (He covered Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana.)
After about 2.5 years of that he transferred to a position that was “local” (only a 45-mile drive - ugh), but it was the night shift. So for 3 years he was perpetually tired, the poor guy.
Now he works all days (yay!), but those days may start at 3 am LOL! He has absolutely no consistency whatsoever with his schedule because he still does a lot of driving/travel. It’s nuts.
Our home life has gone to pot these past 4 years, and I’m beyond over it. I’d appreciate any prayers because I definitely need wisdom in how to actually have our family FUNCTION in all this!
Link | August 8th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
Albert wrote,
Razorbackmama,
What is unbiblical about Debi’s advice about rewarding her jerk? Seems like the same advice Jesus gave to go the extra mile. A hated Roman soldiers tells a Jewish boy: “Stop what you are doing and carry my pack!” The boy knows it is his duty to comply. He dreads it all the way. After the first mile his obligation is paid. The boy says to the Roman, “I’ll carry it the next mile, Sir!”
In Chapter 14, Debi admits in a small subsection “Not Fair”. All the advice about what a good husband would do she says she is leaving up to her husband to give that advice. She is working on the wife’s role.
The Biblical principles in this chapter are good, right but hard to swallow. I have no doubt that there are men out there who act just like that jerk. I have met them and pitied their wives. Yet Gods Word is true, the wife still has to reverence that jerk. Not Fair I know.
I have a friend whose wife is living with another man, has a child by that man. My friend for years continues to love his wife as Christ loved the Church. Today, Christians say divorce her. He says God hates divorce. Not Fair I know.
How do I analyze this chapter with grace to Debi Pearl? She has articulated hard biblical truth. I will accept that truth and ignore the shortcomings of how she communicates that truth. I recognize that her advice is incomplete but for many will be helpful. She is trying to illustrate what it means to be a sober wife.
Link | August 10th, 2005 at 6:13 am
razorbackmama wrote,
Albert,
Nowhere did I say that Mrs. Pearl’s advice to Jill was unbiblical. However, it is EXTRAbiblical in that the Bible does not command Jill to do what Mrs. Pearl says to do. Choosing to care for her sick child over ensuring that her husband’s unrealistic expectations in a spotless house is NOT not reverencing her husband. Offering up an alternative for supper (ordering a pizza, for example) rather than ignoring a sick child’s needs is NOT not reverencing.
I totally agree - the Bible commands wives to reverence their husbands regardless of their actions. But Mrs. Pearl has taken the Bible’s commands a step farther to call something sin that the Bible does not, and THAT is what I am having a problem with.
I have stated repeatedly that the BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES that Mrs. Pearl is sharing, I do not have a problem with. If I did, then I’d better be taking it up with God.
Nowhere have I disagreed with the basic principles that Mrs. Pearl is sharing. (For the most part…as long as they are Biblical principles.) What I DO take issue with is how she says that these principles LOOK. She essentially calls having a less-than-clean home because the wife tended to a sick child, sin. And I refuse to call sin something the Bible doesn’t.
I too agree that she is trying to communicate the importance of being a sober wife. You have stated yourself that there are shortcomings. The problem with that is that there are so many, and women are handing out this book stating that, “this is THE BOOK to read on marriage,” “EVERY WIFE needs to read this book,” etc. I’ve talked to many of these women, and while there are some that are showing discernment (yay!), there are LOTS that aren’t.
“Helpful” or not, when an author twists Scripture to suit her opinions and then claims that THAT is “God’s Way,” that is just not right.
Link | August 10th, 2005 at 10:16 am
razorbackmama wrote,
As I’ve been thinking more about your comments, Albert, I thought perhaps my statement that both Jill’s response and Mrs. Pearl’s were “wrong” may be what you thought I was calling “unbiblical”? So I thought I’d try to explain my thoughts behind that.
It boils down to being a good help meet. That is supposedly what this book is about, but when weighed against the whole of Scripture, Mrs. Pearl’s picture of a good help meet is sorely lacking. So just what is a good help meet?
A good help meet is one who, through her submissive yet strong spirit, encourages her husband to do the right thing. Does it involve nagging? No. Does it involve being cantankerous? No. Does it involve demeaning him, telling him what a sorry loser he is, or blasting him for being so selfish? No.
But it ALSO does not mean that we should encourage his sinful behavior. It does not mean that we take the responsibility for his sinful behavior. It does not mean that we protect him from any natural consequences his sinful behavior might have.
What is one of the best ways to encourage sinful behavior? Reward them for it. So by “rewarding” her husband for being a selfish jerk, she would be encouraging that behavior. She would be HELPING her husband to sin. That is NOT a good help meet.
Now, as I said, it involves having a sweet and loving spirit. Her attitude was completely wrong in her letter. She was not being a good help meet there. But going to the other extreme, picking up the pieces and fixing things because of her husband’s sinful behavior (and from the sounds of it this was NOT an unusual situation)…that is not being a good help meet either.
Link | August 10th, 2005 at 12:27 pm
Albert wrote,
Razorbackmama,
I like your distinction of Extra-biblical. I agree that I am not comfortable when someone gives advice that is not clear in scripture and labels it God’s Way. Even Paul sometimes makes a distinction between his opinion and God’s opinion.
No where in chapter 15 does Debi twist scripture. I reread chapter 15 and I cannot read once where Debi mentions “sin”. She does say that not serving the jerk of a husband would be wrong since she would be neglecting her role as help meet in response to her husband neglectiong his role to love and cherish his wife.
I like this chapter because Debi has taken one of the most offensive husbands and situations and gives practical insight in how to be sober minded. This is why I think most women find the book is so helpful.
Jesus stated that everyone can love their friends, but loving an enemy is different. Debi is capturing that sentiment in her book. Every wife fancies that she reverences and serves a kind and gentle husband, but being a help meet to a jerk is different. I think those who have kind, loving husbands are being lead of the Holy Spirit to take the spirit of Debi’s advice and apply it to their marriages with positive results.
Link | August 10th, 2005 at 1:55 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Albert,
“No where in chapter 15 does Debi twist scripture. I reread chapter 15 and I cannot read once where Debi mentions “sin”.”
I wasn’t specifically referring to Chapter 15. And while she may not use the word “sin,” she did use the word “duty” and “job” when she wrote back to Jill, and elsewhere she has made it clear that if we do not do our “duty” and “job” then we are blaspheming the Word of God.
“She does say that not serving the jerk of a husband would be wrong since she would be neglecting her role as help meet in response to her husband neglectiong his role to love and cherish his wife.”
And if she stopped there, I would agree. But she took it a step further and said that the wife should REWARD him for his selfishness. I agree that we should serve my husband even when he’s sinning. But nowhere does God’s Word tell us that we should reward our husbands when they are sinning. Nowhere did I say that Jill should not serve her husband.
“I like this chapter because Debi has taken one of the most offensive husbands and situations and gives practical insight in how to be sober minded.”
Yes, she did give a few practical suggestions. And they did give me some ideas. (And I’m still stuck on other things LOL!) But the implication is still there that if Jill had just planned well enough, she could have still had a spotless house and supper ready to go, and her husband would not have been a jerk. While I agree that Jill should have done her best and done better planning, sometimes things happen. She should NOT get the blame for things that are out of her control, and she CERTAINLY should not get the blame for her husband’s sin.
“Jesus stated that everyone can love their friends, but loving an enemy is different. Debi is capturing that sentiment in her book. Every wife fancies that she reverences and serves a kind and gentle husband, but being a help meet to a jerk is different. I think those who have kind, loving husbands are being lead of the Holy Spirit to take the spirit of Debi’s advice and apply it to their marriages with positive results.”
And what about those without kind, loving husbands? I have known too many women in BAD situations, who have done exactly what Mrs. Pearl has suggested. (Except it was before the time of this book, but you know what I mean.) It has done nothing except worsen the situation because the husband learned he could get away with it. And why is that? The wife was participating in his sin.
I’m not saying that a wife should seek revenge on her husband when he mistreats her. But nowhere does the Bible say that she has to “reward” him for it either.
This chapter DOES have good in it, and I have expressed lots of the good in my review. But just because there is good and “it is helping women” doesn’t mean that there isn’t bad in it as well.
Link | August 10th, 2005 at 2:24 pm
Anonymous wrote,
if everyone only knew what truly goes on in your home. You appear to have it all together on here but the truth is that your home is out of control, you speak of your husband like he is an idiot and blame him for so much, your children are untrained and the list goes on but yet you sit here (instead of working and LOVING your children) to blast something that is helping women. So you don’t agree with it. Who cares. If they could only see in your home to see the truth. You might have a lot of knowledge but the application is lacking. Actually the application is not there at all. You do not even really like your own children. Yes, you love them because they are yours but you do not like them. You take on this martyr role to having your womb opened so many times when there are parents out there that can’t have even one child. You ask for advice from others but when advice is given you can shoot down every single piece of advice given as to why YOU can’t follow it. You are the exception to all the rules. I challenge you to go without your computer for even one whole week. Love your kids and truly tie strings with them for one whole week. Can you do it? I doubt it but I am sure you will still be here slamming this book and professing to be the all knowing.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 5:13 am
Albert wrote,
Now that is lacking grace!
Razorbackmama,
You asked about bad situations. The woman who first gave my wife the book, has been in a very bad situation. Her husband has gotten worse, but she is growing in God’s grace. She has very strong yet quiet spirit. Learning the reality of His promises. I often think if the bum left she should throw a party, but that is my carnal flesh, not the heart of God.
I think the reason he has gotten worse is that he is feeling God’s convicting power. He cannot even enjoy his sin.
Debi’s point is that women should not be great help meets because their husband will change, but because Christ commands it. Debi then acknowledges that women who do these things have the power to eventually change their husbands.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 6:42 am
Anonymous wrote,
I would like to comment on something you wrote:
“I’m not saying that a wife should seek revenge on her husband when he mistreats her. But nowhere does the Bible say that she has to “reward” him for it either.”
It frustrates me that you continue to say that Mrs. Pearl says that a wife should reward a jerk of a husband. I read and reread that chapter and she never once (that I saw) said “reward”. It was always “serve”.(Also a note…in your review you copied her response to the letter as it’s her job and duty to reward her husband…Mrs. Pearl says “serve”). I don’t think that Mrs. Pearls point is to let him get away with his actions, but her point is that his wife’s response must be one that is sober and focuses on pleasing the Lord by pleasing and serving even the rudest of husbands. She is responsable for her actions NOT her husbands. If she is obeying what God’s Word clearly teaches her responses should be, then she is not participating in her husband’s sin, she is obeying God.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 7:26 am
Albert wrote,
Anonymous,
I agree with you that Debi does not say reward. The letter writer says reward. It is not too far from Jesus saying bless those who curse you. You mean God wants us to “reward” people who curse us. No, He said bless, which may mean inspite of what they do. “Reward” says because of what they have done. There is a difference.
The promise is God knows how to take care of these types of people. Yet, His heart is of perfect love and righteous judgement.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 9:27 am
Spunky wrote,
Debi does not contradict scripture in this chapter but she does contradict hereself from previous statements.
In Chapter 11 on the nature of woman she states, “God designed the woman to be sensitive and vulnerable for the sake fo the little ones who she must nurture. The soul of the mother must be vulnerable the outer shell thin. She must be quick to feel, to hurt, ot love, to have compassion, to take the broken and believe the best. A woman can become tough and hard, skeptical, and cautious in relationships just like a man. She can become guarded and cynical, but in so doing, she is no longer feminine, no longer attractive to a man, and she will even begin to not like herself.
and now onto p. 148 of Chapter 15. “you must be a soldier and show yourself strong.” Then she proceeds to tell us how she gets it all done.
So is it feminine to take care of the children when they are sick. Or do we let them cry and hurt alone so that we can “be a good soldier” have a spotless house, so our husband can boast to his buddies at work?
Sorry but in her zeal to exhort the woman to be sober she once again uses extreme examples to make her case.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 9:27 am
razorbackmama wrote,
“It frustrates me that you continue to say that Mrs. Pearl says that a wife should reward a jerk of a husband. I read and reread that chapter and she never once (that I saw) said ‘reward’. It was always ’serve’.(Also a note…in your review you copied her response to the letter as it’s her job and duty to reward her husband…Mrs. Pearl says ’serve’).”
I’m looking at page 148 at this very moment, and I will copy word-for-word Mrs. Pearl’s response:
Dear Jill, It is your duty, your job, and in your best interest to reward your husband. -Debi
Perhaps there has been a second printing or something??? Mine is the first printing (2005). I can’t explain the discrepancy between copies, sorry.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 9:45 am
Spunky wrote,
Better counsel to the woman would be to say…
Since I was not a part of this situation it is difficult for me to assess actually what the trigger for his anger. A new baby is a stressful time for everyone.
He may have not even been upset with you but something else that set off his tirade. But I would add that writing to me and calling him a “selfish jerk” is inappropriate and leads me to think there are other issues involved that may not have not been mentioned here.
However, I would encourage you in a moment of calm to ask him how you can better deal with days like you have had today. It would be easy for me to say, just work harder and plan better. But the changes I offer may not please your husband. By seeking your husband’s thoughts about what you might do better, you open up the lines of communication. Often, in that way a husband understands that his wife is not trying to deliberately ignore his needs but like all of us we need to prioritize things at a very stressful time.
In most cases a reasonable husband usually understands that he and his wife are working together and they can begin to talk about ways they both can handle the stress of this time together.
If there are other issues involved in the marital relationship or the husband is habitually unreasonable quite honestly no matter how well a woman keeps a house or how much she plans an “unreasonable man” will never be satisfied despite her best efforts. His anger and dissatisfaction are rooted in something deeper than the temporary dissatisfaction of an unkept house or a missing meal.
But unfortunately Debi does not suggest the tools to help in that situation. Prayer and fasting. That is what Esther did.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 9:51 am
Spunky wrote,
By the way, Kirsten I applaud you tenacity in trying to make sense of this book. Taking it chapter by chapter is a difficult task because the underlying premises are so flawed that there is little credibility for the individual chapters let alone the crediblity of the letters.
Spunky
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 10:07 am
AlbertMo wrote,
Spunky,
I like your response better than Debi’s. If Debi were writing a chapter on how to handle a difficult husband, then using the same letter and giving Esther as an example would be wise. However, Debi has a different purpose.
As I said, “reward” is not quite correct since it connotes “because of” the jerks action, not “inspite of”. This must be why Debi corrected the response.
Nonetheless, we are talking about writing styles not twisting of scripture. I have taken the challenge to read the book myself because I was surprised by the negativity of the posts at this site. Charges of twisting scripture and weird theology. I have not found any of that in the book through Chapter 16. Yes, I may not like how she is going about explaining to women how to be a good help meet, but I can see her purpose and the principles she articulates.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 11:01 am
AlbertMo wrote,
Spunky,
The credibility of the Chapters are the Biblical principles articulated. I cannot speak to the credibility of the letters. And I dare not be a false witness, yea or nay.
I too applaud Kirsten’s review of the book. However, I do not yet agree that the book is horrid. More and more I am seeing the wisdom of the book and wondering why such the negativity.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 11:11 am
mamadill wrote,
Well, for the record, the author does use the word “REWARD” in my book. And no where in scripture do I acclimate REWARDING wrong behavior. She may still need to server her husband out of respect and love towards him, but REWARD would NOT be the word I would choose and Mrs. Pearl obviously CHOSE wrong.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 11:25 am
AlbertMo wrote,
Mamadill,
The mid-wives lied about the children being born and God “rewarded” them with little blessings.
I would not use reward and in my copy Debi changed it. But had she kept reward it would not change my positive view of the chapter. For the first place, I would have thought Debi was just being smug in response to the letter writers use of the word reward. Secondly, I am reading the book to see if what she says is TRUE. It is true that if someone slaps my cheek, I should reward him by letting him slap the other cheek.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 11:48 am
Spunky wrote,
Albertmo, the letters to Debi Pearl are somewhat not credible from that stand point that she does not show the originals in any of them. That is a flaw of the book. I am sure they were not all internet generated. Showing a few letters in full and in the hand writing of the writer would lend credibility to them. Also, Debi also stated in the May 1999 newsletter that she never makes a judgement based on only hearing one side. Yet she does this all the time in the book. This again speaks to her credibility. I question the reasoning of using only one sided letters as an example in the book. Once or twice maybe but his book is full of them.
Also, if you have reached chapter 16 then I refer to my first post on this book
http://spunkyhomeschool.blogspot.com/2005/07/created-to-be-his-help-meet-part-1.html
Debi states that God has provided for your husband’s complete sanctification and deliverance from temptation through you his wife on page 29. This is untrue. And flawed. She offers NO scriptural reference for this doctrine yet teaches it as fact. It is false and it is the underlying premise for much of this book. Along with the idea that
Debi also states on page 30 It doesn’t take a good man, or even a saved man to have a heavenly marriage. But it does take a woman who is willing to honor God and by being the kind of wife God intended
This agains is a false premise that is the basis for much of the teaching in this book. Those two premises lead to the conclusion that based soley on the wife’s behavior she can attain a heavenly marriage. And as long as she is meeting ALL of his needs their marriage will be transformed. That is false teaching. A woman can do all the right things and still her husband has the liberty to reject her and Christ. Her good behavior cannot change the idea that God allows each one of us the liberty to chooose or deny Him. Furthermore, a heavenly marriage is one where BOTH the husband and the wife are serving Christ. That is what is outlined in Corinthians. Christ is the head of the man and the head of the woman is the man. With out Christ over the man, Why does Debi assert that a marriage can be heavenly.
Since you have only gotten to C 16 I will refrain from further doctrinal errors at this time.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 12:06 pm
AlbertMo wrote,
Spunky,
1 Cor. 7:5 essentially says do not defraud “that Satan tempt you not.”
On the same page 29 Debi, says “I am not suggesting this is your fault.” So she is not blaming the woman for her husband’s adultery. Therefore, your conclusion of what Debi is saying does not make sense.
Why is it therefore, not the womans fault. Because Satan may not be able to tempt, that is rarely the problem, but men are carried away by their own lusts. Temptation had nothing to do with it. So Debi is not denying that men cannot reject their wives or Christ.
I believe that God has given to wives and husbands the tools to provide for each others complete satisfaction within a marriage. Paul talks about how married couples will seek to please their spouses instead of the Lord.
Page 30 is correct as well. It does not take a good man to have a heavenly marriage. Debi could have said, it does not take a good help meet to make a heavenly marriage, it just takes a man willing to lay down his life for his wife and love his wife as Christ loved the Church. Both statements are true.
“Those two premises lead to the conclusion …”
You are drawing the wrong conclusions and then attributing them to Debi. The only conclusion is that if the husband has a bad help meet but is willing to ignore her shortcomings, that his marriage from his perspective can become all that he hopes it to be. Einstein’s theory of relativity, not God’s theory of a perfect marriage.
Debi repeatedly says she is only concentrating on the wife. She is not denying the husbands role, she is leaving that up to her husband, pastors, etc. That is her method. It is not unbiblical.
Your definition of heavenly implies that only Christians can have heavenly marriages. Which verse says that?
My experience tells me otherwise.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 1:01 pm
Spunky wrote,
That is not correct. She states that the woman is not responsible for the SIN but she is responsible for his restoration from SIN. That is the false premise. Her answer to the woman involved the woman changing her behavior to become more attractive to her man. That is not the correct answer and it is based on the premise that the woman is responsible for his deliverance from sin. Argument still stands.
Your second reasons on a heavenly marriage are as confusing as Debi’s. Can a marriage be called heavenly when either the husband or the the wife is NOT serving the Lord. No. There is no scriptural basis for this. It can be happy but heavenly is not correct.
Again, I refer you to Corinthians where God says that a man is submited to Christ and the woman to the man. I don’t see where a worldy marriage without Christ can be heavenly. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 1:35 pm
AlbertMo wrote,
Spunky,
I looked in my dictionary, . In capitals it says that heavenly means delightful. It connotes peaceful and harmony. You tell me what you mean by heavenly and I can tell you whether I agree with you or not. If I mean happy you seem to agree. That’s what I mean. Having a happy marriage and going to hell is not so great I would admit.
David discusses this. He says he looks at the blessing of the ungodly, how they seem to prosper and he would be jealous except he sees their end.
Where does Debi say the woman is responsible for the husbands restoration?
Better yet look at all the hope and encouragement Debi gave this woman. Rather than being gloomy, Debi encourages this woman to put on the joy of the Lord. “The tool of your warfare is your loving, kind, delightful, radiant, adoring self.” Debi is encouraging women to stand and fight for their marriages. Debi even tells her what an alternative is.
You keep telling me what Debi’s premises are but I am a logical person and I don’t see how you can take chapter 2 and make it anything but a chapter of encouragement to let the Joy of the Lord be your strength. Loretta Lynn and all that stuff.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 2:19 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Albert,
“Debi’s point is that women should not be great help meets because their husband will change, but because Christ commands it. Debi then acknowledges that women who do these things have the power to eventually change their husbands.”
I agree that a wife should be a good help meet because Christ commands it. But I disagree with what constitutes a “good help meet.” And I disagree that the woman has the power to change the husband - only the Holy Spirit can do that.
Spunky,
“Better counsel to the woman would be to say…”
BRAVO THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT!
“By the way, Kirsten I applaud you tenacity in trying to make sense of this book. Taking it chapter by chapter is a difficult task because the underlying premises are so flawed that there is little credibility for the individual chapters let alone the crediblity of the letters.”
Thank you!!! Your approach was difficult as well, trying to piece together what one part of the book said vs. another part. Whew!!!!
Albert,
“As I said, “reward” is not quite correct since it connotes “because of” the jerks action, not “inspite of”. This must be why Debi corrected the response.”
I am thrilled to bits that this correction was made, and it DOES change things quite a bit. I’m curious, what printing is your copy? (I’m also curious to know if anything else has been changed, but I certainly don’t have the time to sit down and compare copies LOL!)
“Charges of twisting scripture and weird theology. I have not found any of that in the book through Chapter 16.”
In Chapter 5 Mrs. Pearl says, “God, I know your Word teaches me to be a woman who is there to help meet all my husband’s desires and dreams.” That is not what God’s Word says and that is not what a help meet is.
In Chapter 6 she cites Deut. 28:28 and Ecc. 10:13 as proof that women who practice bitterness against their husbands will go crazy.
In Chapter 8 she states, “It seems that God made each male to express one side of his triad nature. No single man completely expresses the well-rounded image of God.” That is not Scriptural in any form or fashion, and it contradicts the fact that Adam and Eve COMBINED expressed the well-rounded image of God.
In Chapter 11 Mrs. Pearl gives the impression that Adam was alone for a long period of time and that Lucifer was waiting around for Eve to come along.
She uses Matt. 13:33 completely out of context, as Biblical proof that the woman was corrupting the Kingdom with false doctrine.
She blamed Bathsheba for seducing David into following her “into disregarding the clear objective words of God.”
About Jezebel and Ahab she states, “The second thing I observed was that Ahab was emotionally volatile - unstable. Is your husband prone to retreat? Is he bitter, angry, or depressed? When a woman takes the lead in marriage, her assuming of the masculine role makes a weak man weaker, to the point of ’sending him to bed’ - as did Jezebel to Ahab.” The Bible does not say that.
In Chapter 12 when she explained 1 Corinthians 11, she left out verses that might contradict what she was saying.
She states that Deborah led the armies of Israel into battle, they won, and Israel was shamed because of that. Deborah did not LEAD the armies of Israel into battle; she went along because Barak asked her to.
Those are the examples that I have found in the first 15 chapters. Have I misinterpreted Scripture incorrectly?
Also many times she has stated that “God’s Word says this” or “it is God’s will for you to xyz” when there is absolutely no Biblical proof to back up her statements. So I can’t really cite specific examples of Scripture-TWISTING since there aren’t any Scriptures there to back up her claims, nor does she provide any.
I will say that I COULD read things INTO what Mrs. Pearl’s book and come away with something quite different. But that can be dangerous, so I am simply taking Mrs. Pearl’s words as she states them, rather than IMPLYING that she is meaning something different.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 3:00 pm
Spunky wrote,
Alberto you stumble upon the very problem with the book, Debi never defines anything. In all her writing she leaves us to wonder exactly what is a heavenly marriage. She does the same when it comes to where the line is about how much abuse to suffer and what to do about it.
She uses terms without defining them. She contradicts herself and scripture. (Thank you Kristin for saving me the trouble of going over it again.)
And that is why this book is a problem. You use your terms I use mine but Debi NEVER tells us what a heavenly marriage is on her terms.
You look in the dictionary for a definiton. I consult my bible which states,
Ephesians 5:22,25
Wives submit to your husbands and unto the Lord.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.
That is the recipe for a heavenly marriage. There are more scriptures to cite but for brevity I will leave it to that.
Debi is called to teach sound doctrine as a Titus 2 women. To do so she must define her doctrine. She does not do this in the book. She speaks things as truth and uses terms without definition. She creates confusion where there needs to be clarity. The proof of this is that we both can agree that we really don’t know what Debi thinks a heavenly marriage is and thus the conflict arises.
But for me, in the final analysis, I will choose the Bible of Webster any day.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 3:29 pm
Spunky wrote,
Keer, thanks for the encouragement. I am doing a rewrite of this book, I’m thinking of calling it Created to Be His Spunky. What do you think? LOL
Spunky
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 3:36 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
ROFLOL!!!!!!!
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
Spunky wrote,
Oh and one more thing before I let Keer have her blog back,
Albert you said that Debi gave her hope and joy. Where is that? My hope is in the Lord. Does Debi mention prayer as a tool? Fasting? Her solution also does nothing for the woman whose husband is suffering an addiction to phone “services” and not a physical affair or the woman on my blog whose husband was having an affair with another MAN. And eventually left her to go back into the homos*xual life. Please don’t tell me that Debi’s advice would work here. Because it won’t. As my husband says, you can’t cure a drunk by giving him lots of water instead. It just isn’t all that there is to it.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
AlbertMo wrote,
Kirsten,
My printing of the book is May 2005.
You often say that women you meet do not want to look at the book scripturally. I think I have tried to look at it scripturally and still see why so many women love this book. And I see why some women would hate it.
The best I can get from your perspective is that you don’t like how Debi has presented her view of a help meet and you resent her calling her view “God’s Way”. You think some of her views as not supportable by Scripture and therefore problematic.
I think that what I have read thus far. This book has presented scriptural principles that everyone could benefit from. And if every Christian woman and man would just apply biblical principles to their lives, Debi would not have to write her book.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 3:46 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
“My printing of the book is May 2005.”
How interesting! Mine just says 2005 (but no month). Does yours say if it’s 1st, 2nd, etc.?
“The best I can get from your perspective is that you don’t like how Debi has presented her view of a help meet”
Correct. But not because it ruffles my feathers or because I’m all into feminism and all that rot. I don’t like how she has presented her view of a help meet because Scripture doesn’t support that view.
“you resent her calling her view ‘God’s Way’.”
Correct. I would have absolutely no problem with her book if she did not make the claims that this is what God’s Word teaches. For example, if I were to read Dr. Laura’s book and find blatantly unscriptural statements in it, I’d probably roll my eyes but then go on. Why? Because Dr. Laura’s book is not supposed to be “God’s plan for marriage.”
“You think some of her views as not supportable by Scripture and therefore problematic.”
Exactly.
“This book has presented scriptural principles that everyone could benefit from.”
In some places, yes. And I’ve shared many of those! But in others it contradicts Scripture, even though Mrs. Pearl states that these are teachings from the Bible.
“And if every Christian woman and man would just apply biblical principles to their lives, Debi would not have to write her book.”
EXACTLY. (But that still doesn’t mean that her book is Biblical.
)
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 4:07 pm
Spunky wrote,
I am not ready to concede that this presents scriptural principles that everyone can benefit from.
Nowhere that I have read does she exhort the woman to confession and repentance to her husband for previous failures. She talks about a merry heart as the first step to restoring a marriage. A merry heart is a good principle to follow. But that is not the first step. Scripture states that if we confess our sin he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Debi exhorts woman to good first deeds but that is like putting new wine into an old wine skin. She never tells us to seek our husbands forgiveness. And only briefly talks about the woman coming to the feet of Jesus. But in a book of 300 pages with so many lettes from woman she never guides them back to the cross or to their husband to seek forgiveness. And in a few instances actually says that there is no hope left. Sorry but that is not the Jesus I know.
Nor does she offer any hope to woman at any point when they fail to meet this standard. Again, it is not the standard necessarily that is the problem. All husbands would love a woman with a merry heart and ready for action. But we won’t be ON all the time. And when we fail confession and repentance are the the only thing that will bring biblical restoration. Sadly, that is left out of the book.
Link | August 11th, 2005 at 4:52 pm
Barbara wrote,
hey Albert, go write yer own blog…
Link | August 12th, 2005 at 5:16 am
AlbertMo wrote,
Barbara,
Good idea. In fact I have been motivated by this site to do that very thing. Thanks for showing me grace!
Link | August 12th, 2005 at 5:44 am
AlbertMo wrote,
Spunky,
I think I was lead to this site of the Lord. I came in order to better understand what my wife and others are being blessed by. I did not expect to find people who hated the book. I thank Kirsten for writing this blog and for your comments as well. I have been motivated to read the book for myself and to start a blog to encourage homeschool dads.
I think I understand where you are coming from even though I disagree.
My parting advice is that we all remember that we Christians should be known by the love we have one for another. Sadly, we are known by our divisions, disagreements and protests. May we all increase in the fruit of the Spirit and learn to be full of grace and truth.
From time to time I will check back in as I continue to read the rest of the book, but I will keep my thoughts to myself. Thanks again for allowing this male to intrude in your female domain
Link | August 12th, 2005 at 6:26 am
Spunky wrote,
Albert, The name of the Pearl’s ministry is No Greater Joy. It is from the scripture that states, “I have no greter joy than my children walk in truth.” Love and truth go hand in hand.
God delights when we are walking in truth. There is no division in Christ. The Pearl’s are Christians. I have no personal offense against them. However, as a Titus 2 woman she is called to teach “sound doctrine”. The doctrines in this book are false and I am just asking why?
Link | August 12th, 2005 at 7:24 am
razorbackmama wrote,
Albert,
I have appreciated how gracious you have been. By far you have been the most gracious disagree-er (is that a word? LOL) I have come across as the word has spread about my reviews.
I plan to visit your blog often.
Link | August 12th, 2005 at 2:13 pm
Sprittibee wrote,
Wow. I can’t even believe that ugly comment you got. I would be freaking out thinking someone was stalking me with a comment like that. How does he/she know what your house looks like? What you say to your kids? What you think about? CREEPY.
Hang in there Keer.
Link | August 12th, 2005 at 9:14 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Maybe it was me posting in my sleep. My subconscious and all that.
Bwahahahahahahahaha.
(You can tell that person sure did rattle me huh?
)
Link | August 12th, 2005 at 9:17 pm
Serena wrote,
“My parting advice is that we all remember that we Christians should be known by the love we have one for another. Sadly, we are known by our divisions, disagreements and protests. May we all increase in the fruit of the Spirit and learn to be full of grace and truth.”
Is this to mean that we can never correct something that we see that is not truth? I have not seen that these women hate the book and neither do I. We have some serious reservations about it and cannot recommend it as there are better ones out there without the glaring errors this one has.
From what I see in the scriptures, people were even called by name in the epistles if they were teaching error and there was much correction of those that needed it. Since this is a book to women, then I have no trouble with women being the ones who are doing the correction and pointing out the errors. We have carried the “judge not that you be not judged” to a point of political correctness. Our idea of the love that is to be shown by the redeemed is not the same that is shown in the scriptures.
Love and shalom,
Serena
Link | August 12th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Corrie wrote,
Keer,
You are a better woman than I am. I am glad that you are not taking “anonymous” seriously. How sad. To think that someone feels justified in posting something like that. It is nothing but a mean-spirited attack. If this person actually thought these things, they should have gone to you privately instead of saying such things.
Link | August 15th, 2005 at 9:33 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Speculations have been made about the source of the letters that Mrs. Pearl uses. Some of the letters are SO “out there” that they sound suspicious. I allowed the speculations for that reason.
However, I was wrong to do so. When we speculate something like that, in effect we make a false accusation against a sister in Christ. The letters do seem “fishy,” so perhaps they AREN’T false accusations, but I have no way of knowing, so I MUST give Mrs. Pearl the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are true letters.
I apologize for this and will try to be more careful in the future.
Link | August 19th, 2005 at 11:45 am
Threefold Cord wrote,
Hmmm. I actually thought the letters must be made up, too…or at least a compilation of letters.
Link | August 19th, 2005 at 6:52 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
I *THINK* some of the letters are compilations and that Mrs. Pearl says so. (I can’t remember for sure, and I’m nursing right now so I can’t get up and look LOL.) But I think the majority of them are supposed to be letters that the Pearls have actually received from people.
Link | August 20th, 2005 at 1:02 am
smfeet wrote,
I have to laugh about the crockpot meals. We actually like them but my dh forbids me to use it while I am gone. I have to be home in order to use it. He is my Mr. Safety man. He freaks out if I leave my home with a crockpot going. Even for church he said NO.
ha ha
I am enjoying your review. You are extremely gracious in your review.
smfeet
Link | September 14th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
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