Created To Be His Help Meet - Chapter 13
Y'all may want to sit down for this one.
Overall, I liked this chapter.
Yes, you're reading Keer "Unplugged." LOL!!!!
Chapter 13 is about reverence. On page 124 Mrs. Pearl opens with:
A wise woman understands that her husband's need to be honored is not based on his performance, but on his nature and his God-ordained position.
She quotes from Ephesians 5:32-33:
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church...and the wife see that she reverence her husband"
And I love how the Amplified Version expands on verse 33:
...her husband [that she notices him, regards him, honors him, prefers him, venerates, and esteems him; and that she defers to him, praises him, and loves and admires him exceedingly]
Page 125:
Reverence: to revere, to be in awe; fear mingled with respect and esteem.
1. Obedience is doing what you know the other person wants you to do.
2. Submission is your heart giving over to the other person's will.
3. Reverence is more than just doing what a man expects or demands. It is an act of the woman's will to treat him with a high degree of regard and awe.
Obedience, submission, and reverence are all acts of the will and are not based on feelings. Showing deference toward one's husband is an act of reverence toward the God who placed you in that role.
Mrs. Pearl shares a couple of examples of women who reverence their husbands even though they most definitely do NOT deserve it. The first woman, Judy, reverences a man who began seeing prostitutes shortly after they married. She has convinced their young son that his daddy is #1 by the things that she does to reverence him. Page 127:
I have to confess that as I typed Judy's letter into my book, I wept. Judy has turned her heart to God, for only God could have done such a work of grace in a woman. She is reverencing a man who does not deserve it, and in so doing she is reverencing God.Do you understand that concept by now? She is reverencing God by reverencing her husband, not because her husband is a fit representative of Christ, and not because he is a worthy substitute, but because God placed her in subjection to her husband. And, when it gets humanly ridiculous to obey that lousy man, and when he gives her every reason to not respect him, there is only one controlling factor left - God. This woman is obeying and reverencing God, and no one else. That creep of a husband is the fortunate recipient of honor being given to God. Her faith sees beyond the sinning man to the God who created us all and "so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son..." (John 3:16).
If her faithfulness is never rewarded with a new birth change in her husband, her commitment will not be wasted, for the grace that God is working in her heart is making her supremely fitted to be the bride of Christ. It is an eternal work taking place in her soul. Her obedience to God, and her willingness to go beyond the extra mile, prevents her husband's sin from damaging their son. She has covered a multitude of sins with her love and forgiveness (I Peter 4:8).
Now, I do want to make clear that there are situations in which church discipline may be in order, or that the wife at the very least needs to say something to her husband about whatever he is doing (like in Judy's case - she does need to speak up about the prostitution at some point, even if it's just to protect herself from disease). But many of us aren't dealing with "major" things like that. Many of us are dealing with husbands who aren't leading family devotions or who won't wash a dish/change a diaper/fold a towel to save their lives or who haven't spent money very wisely. Men do some pretty dumb things...and God commands their wives to reverence them ANYWAY. (We women do some pretty dumb things too!
) If women like Judy can go beyond the extra mile and reverence their husbands, so can I, even when my husband is acting like a goober. (Which is about as often as I act like a goober too.
)
A section titled "Play It Again, Sue" begins on page 128. I know all too well what Mrs. Pearl is talking about.
In our own strength, we women tend to have minds like old LP records that are scratched. We take our husband's faults and replay them in our thoughts over and over again, "he's insensitive...he's insensitive...he's insensitive...he's insensitive...." We get worked up over the smallest offense until our agitation sours into bitterness. He will forget to feed the dog three days in a row. We will look at the empty dog bowl and attribute all kinds of evil motives to him. He will leave us waiting in the car for an extra ten minutes, and we convince ourselves that his lack of consideration is just the tip of the cold iceberg of his heart. Since we are "Christian" ladies, and the kids are watching, we don't rant and rave; we just give him the stone-cold, silent treatment. He must know how much he hurts us, and the best way to retaliate is to hurt him back by depriving him of what he wants most - respect, honor, and love.
Page 128:
The difference between a good marriage and a lousy one is not found in good husbands and good wives versus bad husbands and bad wives, for all marriages are made up of two sinners with lots of faults.A good marriage is good because one or both of them have learned to overlook the other's faults, to love the other as he or she is and to not attempt to change the other or bring him or her to repentance. A bad marriage is not one that contains more faults between the two of them; it is a marriage where one or both of them gets worked up over issues that good marriage partners let slide and cover up with love and forgiveness.
Um....sort of. I can see what she is trying to say here, but that's most likely because I'm approaching it from a pretty good marriage. We have our "issues," but I don't have to worry about him bugging my e-mail, getting mad if I drip water on the bathmat, or not coming home at night. (Those are all true examples from assorted friends of mine.) Many times, yes, women get all up in arms over STUPID STUFF like leaving the toilet seat up or not wringing out the washcloth or not cleaning out the garage. But for SERIOUS ISSUES (like abuse, infidelity, etc.), the wife can overlook, forgive, etc. all she wants, and it won't necessarily turn their marriage into a "good" one.
So as I said, I see what she's trying to get at, but it's not a given that if you forgive your husband when he's a jerk to you, you'll have a good marriage.
Now THIS I agree with (continuing in that paragraph):
When a woman gets it in her mind that she must change her husband before she will allow him to relax in the security of her honor and respect, she will never see so much as the bottom side of a good marriage, except when she is kissing hers good-bye.
I've known too many women like that. They treat their husbands like jerks and expect them to change before they treat them kindly. And if they are Christian women, many times they'll demand that the husband love them like Christ loved the church! GROAN!!!!!
Next is a section entitled, "Eve Has Many Sisters," and the basic premise is found in the first sentence:
Where men struggle with fleshly imaginations, we women give ourselves over to emotional imaginations and create a world of hurt for ourselves and those around us.
Overall I'd say that's a pretty true statement. Women tend to LOVE pity parties and "Oh let me tell you how mean my husband is being to me...."
Mrs. Pearl discusses how that's how Satan went about tempting Eve:
Eve was deceived through her runaway imaginations. The root of her sin was doubting God's goodwill toward her. Eve, today, has many sisters. We still doubt the one in authority over us and imagine that he does not intend good for us. Like Eve, we imagine that we can disobey the authority of God's Word and of our husband's word because we "imagine" that we have a higher purpose - to be more spiritual.We have been tricked into believing that our husbands have committed offenses against us, all the while thinking that we are more spiritual because of the insights we have. We all agree that any man who lives in a lustful daydream is a godless man. And I say to you readers, that any woman who lives on the edge, expecting to be offended and believing ill will on every hand, that woman is living in vain imaginations and is a godless woman. It is time to get yourself under God-ordained authority. Believe God, believe the best of your husband, your neighbors, your church, your family, etc., and get on with the blessings and joy of life and marriage.
For women who are truly imagining things, then yes, they need to get on with the blessings and joy of life and marriage. But let's face it. Some women AREN'T just imagining things. Some women have husbands who won't shower, and then when the wife washes sheets a little more often for sanitary reasons, the husband yells at her for THAT. Some women are in lose-lose situations and NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, they cannot please their husbands, no matter how hard they try. So a woman in a situation like that...it's not that she is doubting God's good will for her...she just knows that her husband AIN'T LISTENING TO GOD.
But as I said, I know that many women do tend to imagine the worst when their husbands do/don't do something. "He did that on purpose, just to make me mad," "He doesn't care one iota that I'm stuck here with a sick child, and he's galavanting all over town," etc. We need to GET OVER it, quit imagining the worst, and believe that our husband ISN'T the insensitive jerk we think he is.
And here Mrs. Pearl comes back to Judy, the wife of the "#1 Daddy."
Not one of us honestly thinks Judy's husband deserved her reverence, or her love for that matter. He is a first-class jerk and deserves to sleep alone in an alley under a cardboard box. But God has called us to a higher plane. It is on this higher plane that we discover the wonder of life, of love, and of forgiveness. And it is the place where we will come to be cherished. Few men are able to continue being angry, lustful, and selfish in the face of such a strong force as being reverenced.
IN GENERAL I'm sure she's right. If someone strikes us on the cheek we are to offer them the other one. Judy's story is a very inspiring one. Would I go so far to say that she has a "good marriage" though? I'm not sure. I hope that her husband was able to see past the end of his nose and see what she was doing for him. I can't say that her response was necessarily the one that ALL WOMEN EVERYWHERE need to have when faced with similar situations. Begging God for direction and wisdom in how to proceed is the key. Some women He might lead to leave, so that HE can break their husbands. But others He very well could lead to bend over backwards to please their husbands. Only He knows what is going on in the husbands' hearts, and only He knows what will break the husbands' will so that they will come to repentance.
Page 131:
When a woman does not provide for her husband a comfortable nest and a reverent attitude, she has to rely on his goodness to "keep him" faithful. She is a fool to expect him to be a good husband when she is not being the help meet God has created her to be.*snip*
Women take it for granted that a man will be faithful because it is his Christian duty to be faithful (and it is). It is also a woman's Christian duty to be a help meet: honoring, obeying, serving, and reverencing.
*snip*
Counselors agree that in almost all marriage conflicts both husband and wife share the blame almost equally. A man's guilt is usually easy to see. A woman's guilt is less obvious but just as destructive and just as evil. God ordained a woman to be a help meet. She is to provide a haven of rest and satisfaction, and to be a delight to her husband. When she fails to obey God, there is often "hell to pay." when she obeys God, even if she is married to a "lost" man, she will usually reap heavenly results.
*sigh* These could have been such super paragraphs if it weren't for her faulty definition of "help meet" overshadowing everything.
While it IS a husband's responsibility to remain faithful despite what his wife does, his wife should make it easy to remain faithful. And I know what she is talking about when she says that the woman's guilt is often less obvious. Especially in today's society, where women are bombarded with the "need" to "stand up for their rights" and the "need" for equality and the "advancement" of femininism, blah blah blah. All too often women are told they need to expect (and sometimes demand!) more out of their husbands when it comes to doing things around the house, with the family, etc. And then these women get up on their self-righteous high-horses about it and point fingers when their marriages fall apart. They feel they are "victims."
Now, I HAVE known situations in which the women truly ARE the victims. Their husbands were/are abusive (and I don't use that term lightly). I'm not talking about them.
But then we come back to my *sigh*. Being a help meet is so much MORE than what Mrs. Pearl makes it out to be (keeping the house clean, taking care of the children, cooking good food, keeping the husband happy in bed, etc.) A wise woman I know put it this way, "Debi describes a 'yes man'... not a real helper. A real helper isn't there to just soak up all her dh's errors, misjudgments, flaws, etc. God wouldn't have GIVEN him a helper if he didn't NEED a helper."
Well, at least Mrs. Pearl wrote that usually the woman will reap heavenly results rather than hint at a guarantee as she does in the rest of the book....
Mrs. Pearl then writes about a girl named Sunny who married a man who turned out to be a violent, alcoholic wife-beater. This girl chose to stay with her husband and to obviously reverence him. Instead of speaking ill of him to others, she ONLY spoke good things. She honored him even though he didn't deserve it by ANY means.
Again, this is an inspiring story, and one I think we all can learn from. Most of us don't have to deal with physically abusive husbands or anything even CLOSE to that. Yet we don't think twice to say something negative about our husbands to other people, and if we don't do that, often we simply don't say anything. Many times we certainly don't PRAISE our husbands to other people! I've been trying to make more of a conscious effort to do so, and while I respected my husband before, I'm finding that I respect him even more, even though he hasn't really done a whole lot differently.
I also try to tell HIM how proud I am of him. It's funny...I can almost see him grow an inch from standing just a little taller when I say things like that. (Yet I make sure it's not just flattery!)
HOWEVER, I cannot support Mrs. Pearl's statement on page 133:
I spent hours in prayer and counseling with Sunny that evening. I asked her to make a decision, either to leave Ahmed once and for all and put the pieces of her life back together, or to stay with him and begin a campaign of winning his heart and saving their life together. I fully expected her to leave him that night, but I discovered something amazing about her: Sunny really wanted God's will in her life. She had grasped an eternal vision about life, and she now believed God could save her man.
I do not disagree one bit that God could save her husband. What I disagree with is the insinuation that leaving a physically abusive situation is contrary to God's will. It is simply not for us to decide that. I'm glad that things turned out well for Sunny, but it is more of a testimony of God's faithfulness than Sunny's "obedience" by staying with an abusive husband. Mrs. Pearl is putting the emphasis on the wrong person in this story. This was a story about a miracle worked in this man's heart, NOT about how Sunny "obeyed" and won her husband.
Now, obviously this is what the Lord wanted SUNNY to do, but does he call EVERY SINGLE WOMAN in a similar situation to do the same??? No. But I fear for the women who read this book and think that by physically removing themselves and their children from their husband's presence, that they will be disobeying the Lord.
In the "Time to Consider" section at the end of the chapter, Mrs. Pearl again reminds us how important it is that we wives reverence our husbands. She lists "Traits of a Good Help Meet" that are very true:
She acknowledges the "good traits" in her man.
She speaks of her husband with esteem.
She defers to him.
She never responds to him with scorn or ridicule.
These would be very good habits for all wives to practice. ![]()

Barbara wrote,
well, Keer, i would really disagree with that “Sunny” story…i think it was God’s grace that she didn’t end up as worm food…but then again, i haven’t agreed with much of what Ms Debi has said…
thanks once again…great summary
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 4:27 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Same here. It sure was a heart-warming story, and I’m sure it’s true, but for Mrs. Pearl to say that Sunny staying with him was God’s will (and therefore implying that it’s God’s will for all women to stay with their physically abusive husbands)…that was a HUGE stretch.
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 4:40 pm
Serena wrote,
I have a friend who almost died at her former husband’s hands. I would never condemn her for leaving him. I think she did the best thing in the situation. What bothers me about the book is the “one size fits all” perspective. What we need is that personal relationship with our Messiah, our Shepherd and hear His voice to us and obey it. He speaks individually to His children, His sheep and His Word is NOT “one size fits all.”
I know that I heard my Father when He told me that my first husband had just lost all the treasures that He had given him (meaning me, his children and his home). If I had just accepted what he was doing, I would have been opposing what my Father was doing. That is why it is so important to hear from Him.
My husband has been posting a really good study on the subject of divorce and remarriage done by a woman who has been married to her husband for all her life since a young woman(and she is in her 80’s now). It is excellent and that is why he is spending the time typing it all for others to read. It is full of our Father’s grace and mercy. I’m not so sure that I would want Debi’s god the way she portrays him, I’m still trying to decide if it is the same G-d that I know.
Love and shalom,
Serena
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 5:03 pm
Kelli wrote,
Ughhh. For some reason, the examples she gave really bothered me. My mil was married to a wife beater for 30 years and “reverencing” him never seemed to help. It has scarred my hubby for life and part of me wishes she had left the creep early on, but then there wouldn’t be dh : )
I don’t think I am making sense. Ignore me.
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 7:11 pm
Rebecca wrote,
The two examples bothered me also.
Eventually the son in the first example will probably find out that his father frequented prostitutes. (These things have a way of becoming known to children, even if it is many years later.) He will probably assume, by his mother’s behavior that:
1. There is really nothing wrong with husbands having s*x with prostitutes. After all, his mother convinced him that his father was #1!
2. A loving wife will overlook her husband having s*x with prostitutes, whether it’s right or wrong.
3. His mother was a desperate woman with no backbone, or she would never have put up with such ongoing serious sin.
4. His mother was a hyprocrite. Holiness and godliness isn’t that important to her and neither is honesty. After all, she pretended for years that her adulterous husband was a great guy.
This is why these sorts of sins (adultery, wife abuse, etc.) tend to repeat themselves from generation to generation. After all, there is no consequence. A man can constantly commit adultery and come home and be treated like a king and a hero. Is it any surprise that his son would grow up wanting the same for himself?
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 7:51 pm
Anonymous wrote,
I can say 100% that this is the kind of advice that made me delay confronting my husband when I suspected he was having an affair.
Finally, a friend who saw evidence herself begged and begged me to take some sort of action. I looked at his emails and found solid evidence, called our pastor, and confronted my husband that evening. The affair quickly came to an end. Two years later our marriage is slowly recovering.
It would have ended much sooner if I had acted sooner. But I kept reading things such as this chapter and felt that I would be dishonoring God if I did anything other than praise and support my husband - even as our marriage went down the tubes.
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
Martha wrote,
I don’t know if any of you have read “And the Shofar blew..” but I think this sort of sums up the point about hiding things like affairs from your children and everyone. I think that you can reverence your husband and yet, call him to repentance.
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 8:18 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Serena,
“What bothers me about the book is the ‘one size fits all’ perspective. What we need is that personal relationship with our Messiah, our Shepherd and hear His voice to us and obey it. He speaks individually to His children, His sheep and His Word is NOT ‘one size fits all.’”
“If I had just accepted what he was doing, I would have been opposing what my Father was doing. That is why it is so important to hear from Him.”
YES!!!!! THAT’S IT EXACTLY!!!!! Some women, for whatever reason, He may lead to stick with it. But for others, He may want them to GET OUT NOW. The key is to having that relationship with Him and knowing His voice.
Rebecca,
I forget, have you read the book? ‘Cuz Mrs. Pearl says what “will happen” when the son grows up. I had the same thoughts as you. When I’m done nursing (LOL) I’ll type out what she says the son will think when he grows up. Made me want to gag since I have known adults who grew up in similar situations, and they are angry with their moms for not leaving their dads long ago.
Martha,
I’ve never heard of it! I do agree that it’s possible though to reverence your husband while at the same time not overlooking his sin.
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 8:53 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
OK I’m done nursing now.
Here is what Mrs. Pearl says about the effects on Judy’s son:
“In the letter above, Judy got over her “Mad Wife” disease before her son became infected with it. The little boy honors his dad because his mother honors him. Someday that little boy will be a man. As he grows up, he will discover that his dad has faults, and he will forgive them as his mother has done. When he is grown and can see the whole picture, he will know that his mom is one of the finest ladies on earth. He will rise up and call her blessed. Someday her husband may grow out of his foolish, lustful stupidity, and if he does, he too will treasure her. She will have earned his love and devotion, because she reverenced him when there was little in him to honor. She loved him because God first loved her.”
Um, yeah. Whatever.
And also, I thought that if she just honored him enough and kept him happy enough in bed, he wouldn’t need to go elsewhere…right? (Puhleese.)
Link | July 24th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Spunky wrote,
The Sunny and Ahmed story is addressed in detail today on my blog. In it contains a dangerous teaching and that is the reason I have a problem with the book. It also contradicts their own teaching on the website.
Please see today’s post.
http://spunkyhomeschool.blogspot.com/2005/07/created-to-be-his-help-meet-part-3.html
Spunky
P.S. at the end of my review I will send them to your blog for a review as well.
Link | July 25th, 2005 at 8:08 am
Barbara wrote,
hey Kirsten, you left alot out of that Sunny story! (imagine my eyes popping outta my head!) this is really a dangerous thing to be counseling women about, and i don’t understand why this book is so popular!
thanks for linking to Sunny’s blog…;-)
Link | July 25th, 2005 at 8:32 am
razorbackmama wrote,
Yes, I didn’t put the whole story in there…somewhat on purpose. LOL I knew this chapter was going to be long, so I tried to just hit the major highpoints that I saw. It is an awful story, and like you said, it’s by the grace of God that she even survived.
I think if Mrs. Pearl wanted us to actually take her seriously, she should have not used such EXTREME examples, KWIM? She should have used examples in which the husband was just acting like a dork, rather than ones in which the wife was in physical DANGER.
This was a great chapter PRINCIPLE-WISE, which is why I said I liked it overall. I think reverence is sorely lacking in many marriages today, including Christian marriages. But those examples Mrs. Pearl used….*sigh*
Sunny’s blog????? Do you mean Spunky? I’m confused!
Spunky,
Heading over to read now - I can’t wait!
Link | July 25th, 2005 at 9:41 am
Catez wrote,
Another interesting and discerning review. Thanks!
Link | July 26th, 2005 at 2:16 pm
Corriejo wrote,
Can you help me out with what Debi Pearl means by the following paragraph found on pg. 125 of her book?
“Amazing as it sounds, marriage between a man and a woman is what God chose as the closest example of Christ’s relationship to his bride, the Church.”
So far, so good. I understand her.
“You are part of eternity when you submit to your husband.”
I guess. Never thought of it that way. I believe this is a non sequiter. I don’t disagree with this statement as it stands.
“Submission, reverence, and honor are virtues God seeks to establish in his Son’s bride.”
I agree. BTW, God’s Son’s bride includes men and women. Men and women are to have submission, reverence and honor as some of their virtuous traits.
“Your marriage to your husband is preparing you for your marriage to Christ.”
Okay. Not really disagreeing with the statement at face value but I would have to really understand *her* theology behind this statement to give it my blanket approval.
I agree that marriage prepares both a husband and wife in being the bride of Christ.
“You may say, “But it would be easy being married to Christ.” Then you don’t know your Bible.”
Okay……
“What if your husband required you to offer your son upon the altar as a burnt sacrifice? That is what God required of Abraham.”
Exactly. But, how come she switches gears here and all of a sudden substitutes God in for Christ in the analogy of Christ and His Church/Bride? It doesn’t follow.
She was correct in saying that marriage is a picture of *Christ* and His Church.
But then she uses Christ and God interchangeably in this analogy which is NOT right.
God asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son because God was using this as a teaching picture for the Israelites. He was teaching them His gospel and about how He would save the world through His only Son.
To say that this is normative or that Christ asks His Bride to sacrifice their children is just not right. There are many mentally ill people who call themselves Christians who say they heard God tell them to kill their children. Maybe they *are* hearing from God and we just don’t understand? No, I don’t think so.
So, what about her question? What IF your husband asked you to offer up your child as a burnt offering. Notice how she equates God to our husbands. First off, if a husband asked a wife to offer up her child as a sacrifice, she should say “No” very firmly. Then she should pack up her children and go to the nearest shelter or to the home of fellow Christians. Then she should seek help for her husband and part of that help might include a psychiatric hospital stay and some medication.
Debi is “off” to insert a husband into this scenario. Husbands are not gods nor do they have the authority God has. Husbands don’t have the power to raise someone from the dead like God had the power to raise Isaac from the dead (for that is what Abraham believed God would do).
Now the next question she asks really has me stumped and alarmed:
“What if your husband killed you for lying? That is what God did to Sapphira.”
HUH?? Husbands can’t kill their wives for lying. They can’t kill their wives at all. Only God has that power and authority. Husbands can’t even discipline their wives for lying. They can rebuke them and if she continues in that sin, they can bring her before the church but she can do that to him if her husband lies, too.
Does it sound like Debi has elevated the husband way too much in this analogy? Is it proper to confuse theological teachings by inserting husbands into these sorts of stories that concern God?
Her theology really has me concerned. There are many undiscerning women who read this book with absolutely no eye for discerning the truth of scripture.
Corrie
Link | July 27th, 2005 at 9:42 am
Corriejo wrote,
I am really concerned over the letter from “Judy”. In it she says that she drove to her husband’s place of work and stood outside with her son with poster board that read
“#1 Daddy”. Then when her husband (the one who goes to strip clubs and has s*x with prostitutes) comes out of work with all of his co-workers, everyone can see the poster and how his wife and son felt about him.
I know what goes on in the workplace. Those people probably know what this man does after work. He probably goes to strip clubs with his co-workers because that is what a LOT of the married men did together when I worked full-time and my husband just told me that he knows a lot of his fellow workers who do the same thing. They probably see him leaving with the hookers, too. My husband has seen his co-workers leaving with women when he has gone to conventions out of town. He sees this a lot. It is very sad because everyone knows that these men have wives and kids at home who are clueless.
Well, Judy isn’t clueless, is she? I have to say that if it were me walking out and seeing a poster like that about a man who is a “pig” and who cheats on his wife, I don’t know if I would just stay silent. I would probably confront that man and tell him that if he doesn’t tell his wife, stop what he is doing, I will tell her for him.
If the co-workers knew that Judy knew about her husband’s piggish activities, then they would think she was a fool and a liar.
Is it okay to lie? I mean, can a man who goes to strip clubs and visits hookers really be the #1 Daddy?
I wouldn’t berate the man if he were my husband but I wouldn’t also aid and abet his fornication and lasciviousness, either. I would confront him and I would tell him to see a doctor to be checked for venereal diseases before I would sleep with him again. I would tell him that I will forgive him and I am willing to work on healing in the marriage if he goes to a good biblical counselor and becomes accountable.
If he refused to change his ways, I would not sleep with him and put my health in danger and live a lie. I have children to raise and I will not do anything that will cause me to die because I foolishly believed that I had to go along with my husband’s fornicating just to make him feel good about himself.
I would separate from an unrepentant man who refused to give up his fornicating ways. I would continue to pray for my husband and I would assure him that I love him and that if/when he turns from his dangerous and lustful ways, I will be there for him. I would not expose my children to this lifestyle, either. They are not stupid and they would have no respect for him (no matter how many lies I tell them) and they certainly would have no respect for a mother who lies to herself and pretends that he does not have a serious problem and refuses to address it in a biblical manner.
I do believe forgiveness and restoration is possible because all things are possible with God. I do believe not believe that Debi’s advice is biblical. Where, in scripture, are we told to ignore this sort of sin and live in fellowship with those who sin in this sort of way?
Would Christ go to strip clubs and fornicate with hookers? Why doesn’t the question go the other way?
You can still treat a man in this sort of sin with honor and respect but that doesn’t mean you have to sit there and let him do whatever he wants to do. That is not respectful or honoring of God’s word to allow such things to go on in the name of Christ.
Corrie
Link | July 27th, 2005 at 9:58 am
Corriejo wrote,
I have another concern about an incredulous assertion Mrs. Pearl made at the top of pg. 131 of Chapter 13:
“In my lifetime, I have known of just two husbands who were able to reverse the course of an angry, resentful wife and make their marriage into something blessed. In all of Scripture, there is no promise to men that they can save their wife and marriage by conduction themselves in a certain prescribed manner. In contrast, the Bible holds a wonderful promise from God to women: they have the power to win their lost husbands both to themselves and to God. The Bible tells us that a woman can win her husband without the Bible. In today’s churches, many women have failed to win their husbands because they have tried to be evangelists.”
Where do I begin?
I am wondering where all the discernment is among the women who are hawking this book as the best thing since sliced bread. I see Mrs. Pearl making the same mistake that Eve did. She adds to the word of God things that are not there and she subtracts things that are there.
Are we to believe that a husband’s behavior has no power or consequence on the wife’s behavior?
The husband, in scripture, is repeatedly told to love his wife. He is told to love her like he loves his own body. He is told to love her like Christ loves the church. I know many that teach that when a man loves a woman this way, it is almost impossible for her to resist this sort of love. According to Mrs. Pearl, these preachers are wrong.
Just because Debi only knows 2 men who were able to reverse the course of their angry, resentful wives means nothing to us. It proves nothing. This is a logical fallacy. Just because I know of no one, personally, that has been mauled by a tiger, this doesn’t mean that people haven’t been mauled by tigers.
The Bible does have a lot to say about love and the power love has. The Bible does says that “Love NEVER fails.” Husbands should take that one to heart since they are repeatedly exhorted to love their wives.
In 1 Cor. 13 it describes love and it shows a husband what his love should look like towards his own wife: love is not rude, love is not arrogant, it is not self-seeking, love suffers long, love bears all things, love believes all things, love is not jealous, love hopes all things, love endures all things, love is kind, etc. I wonder if these husbands were loving their wives according to these guidelines?
LOVE NEVER FAILS. Now, let us go back to Mrs. Pearl’s assertion that men have no power in their wive’s lives. Is this true? Of course it is NOT true. In Eph. 5 it gives us a picture of Christ and His bride and compares it to marriage. Since Mrs. Pearl just did this in this Chapter it seems completely and utterly inconsistent of her not to do this when talking about a husband’s behavior towards his wife. Eph 5 tells us that Christ presents to himself a Bride without spot, wrinkle or blemish.
Hmmm? It seems that Christ’s love towards His bride does have power! It makes her perfect. Now, isn’t a husband’s love compared to Christ’s love? Isn’t it a little microcosm of Christ’s love? Yes, it is. Christ sanctifies his bride and washes her through His word. His love is efficacious- it has the power to transform His bride. How can Mrs. Pearl say that a husband who loves his wife like Christ loves the church has no power in the life and actions of his wife? She cannot.
A husband’s love also has that same power. His love of his wife can transform her. It doesn’t mean it will just like it doesn’t mean that a woman’s submissive demeanor will transform her husband but it can. For Debi to tell her readers that a husband’s actions towards his wife has no affect on the marriage is to negate truth.
A husband or a wife may start to believe, under the tutelage, that the course of the marriage is all up to the wife and that if it fails, then it is her fault and he can blame all of it on her. After all, Mrs. Pearl hasn’t seen but 2 men be able to reach their wives by loving them like Christ loves the church. And then she turns around and blames women for their husband’s sinful and wrong behavior.
Why is she so inconsistent? She tells the women that their husbands will want to love them, be faithful to them and protect them IF They are being submissive. Why doesn’t it work the other way around? That a wife will want to be kind and submissive to her husband and follow his lead when he loves her like Christ loves the church? Why is a wife being pegged with all the responsibility for the direction of the marriage when the husband is called to be the head? Why doesn’t her theory work both ways? Why doesn’t she question the men’s love when she doesn’t see any fruit in the lives of their wives? She does it with the women when husbands leave and cheat and abuse. Obviously, the wife is not living the way she should if her husband doesn’t love her and isn’t kind to her. I believe what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Mrs. Pearl’s portrayal of headship is unbiblical. She makes being a head a rather impotent position. The head has no power and has no responsibility nor does the head take any blame. She compares Christ and the husband to the Bride of Christ and the wife and then turns around and tells us that the husband is impotent. Well, wouldn’t that make Christ impotent in the life of His Bride, too?
Just because there is no specific scripture directed to the men about winning over their wives to the Word proves nothing. I have heard many preachers say that when a man becomes a Christian his family quickly follows but not so true when a woman becomes a Christian first. We often see women going to church alone because their husbands are not believers. We rarely see the opposite taking place. Women, we are told, respond to the spiritual direction of their husbands because this is how God made them and fit them to their role as wife. Maybe that has something to do with why Paul wrote this verse? Paul probably saw this happen many times. Many women being persecuted by their unsaved husbands; many women becoming Christians after their husbands became Christians. Paul was holding out some hope to these women whose husbands were unsaved.
It is NOT a promise. The verse in 1 Peter 3:1 says that a husband MAY be one without a word. It doesn’t say he will be won. When someone says that they “may” do something that means there is a chance of them doing it. It is not guarantee at all. There is a chance.
Also, this verse has nothing to do with a wife winning her husband to herself. Mrs. Pearl adds to scripture by saying it does. This verse specifically says that a wife’s behavior may win her husband over to the word.
I also don’t believe that women are to not tell their husbands about Christ. Romans 1:16 says this:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
The word of God is the power of God to salvation. Romans 10 tells us that hearing comes through the word. It doesn’t mean that the wife will do no speaking. It doesn’t mean that she will not minister the word of the gospels unto her husband. It means that her godly conduct will be powerful because her actions speak louder than her words. If her words are truth but her actions are those that do not befit the words she speaks, then she nullifies her words through her actions.
No where do we see this better than at home. When a father or a mother speak one way out in public and appear to be very spiritual and theological but at home they are beasts and betray their public persona, then the children will be turned off when the parents try and minister the words of scripture to the children.
That is what I believe this verse to be referring to. The wife’s holy conduct will be the means of producing in them a reverence for Christianity. It will be the fertilizer so that the word of God may be spoken to them and may take root. Just like the parable of the sower. The seed is the word of God. It is the gospel that saves not our conduct. It is God who draws and woos us to Himself. We cannot blame anyone else when we refuse to bow our knee to God. We can be a stumbling block to others but other people’s salvation do not rest on what we do or don’t do. God’s will cannot be thwarted when it comes to saving His own.
A wife, by her behavior, may soften a husband’s heart and may make them see that Christianity is agreeable to them and cause them to be open to hearing the gospel. It MAY do this, Paul doesn’t promise that it will do this. No one can promise such a thing.
Here is a quote from one commentator (Henry):
Evil men are strict observers of the conversation of the professors of religion; their curiosity, envy, and jealousy, make them watch narrowly the ways and lives of good people.
This is the truth, isn’t it?! A woman who comes home and tells her husband of being “saved” in some “new” religion called Christianity is going to cause him to be suspicious. Just think about what it would be like to live in the times of Christ and right after His resurrection. Paul is encouraging these women not to be afraid, to adorn themselves with good works, to show the gospel with their good behavior, etc. A husband may just be won after seeing the good fruit of his wife.
This book would be more believable if it were not for all the contradictions and double-talk. I see a huge lack of discernment on the part of many readers. I fear that people have left their Bible to get dusty on the book shelf in order to tickle their ears with the opinions of men and women. Whatever is popular is not right. Very few people will dare to disagree with this book because it earns them the right of being called “Jezebels” and “Damsels”. It doesn’t matter that we go back to scripture and go through great lengths to explain what the Bible says and how Debi Pearl’s words differ from what the Bible says. People have their minds made up and anyone who tries to convince them otherwise is a bad and rebellious wife. How could they be good and godly Christians and disagree with Debi Pearl?
I do not find much I agree with in this Chapter. There are a a few isolated sentences that I can agree with but the foundation is so very flawed that I don’t really know what I can agree with.
Corrie
Link | July 27th, 2005 at 12:57 pm
razorbackmama wrote,
Now Corrie, come on now, don’t hold back…tell us what you REALLY think! *vbwg*
I sure wish I COULD shed some light on what Mrs. Pearl means, but I honestly had the same questions as you do!
“Mrs. Pearl’s portrayal of headship is unbiblical. She makes being a head a rather impotent position. The head has no power and has no responsibility nor does the head take any blame.”
The only power he has is to boss everyone around, according to Mrs. Pearl.
*sigh* The main POINT of this chapter (we need to reverence our husbands) is so good, but it gets so overshadowed by all her GARBAGE!
Link | July 27th, 2005 at 3:10 pm